Crit "Weimar Plakat 1923 Pro" my bauhaus inspired typeface

dezcom's picture

Miss Tiffany's post on Constructivist type got me interested in looking at more constructivist faces.

http://typophile.com/node/18503

I ended up buying several. I was looking for one that would match a JPEG of a poster I saw online at the Bauhaus Museum. I wanted to make a reproduction of the poster. Nothing worked out so I spent half a day making my own Bauhaus type which I call "Weimar" in honor of the poster. Today I added Latin 1 extension glyphs. I am attaching a PDF of the typeface sample which includes the little JPEG of the 1923 poster that got me started and the reproduction I ended up making (using my new font).

I just added Greek and Cyrillic.

ChrisL

dezcom's picture

Thank you both!

I got the impression that "Pro" referred to a robust character set with broader language support rather than an Adobe thing only. My assumption is that people from the countries who don't get as much choice in type will perhaps be tempted to give it a second look. Not that this font has a big use scale because it is display, but the broader common market usage across cultures may be a selling point--perhaps more for my text faces though.

ChrisL

dan_reynolds's picture

I'm not a big fan of the term "Pro" myself, but I think that some degree of standardization in description is important for our customers. AFAIK, Adobe originated the term, but it can carry a specific meaning (i.e., CE inside), and it has already been semi-universally adopted.

As we know, OT does not always equal OT. Just because an OpenType font can have up to 65,000 glyphs does not mean that it will… most still have around 200–300. At least with terms like "Pro", your average buyer knows a little of what to inspect when he installs the font. I think that the more our customers know, the happier they will be… and maybe they'll buy more fonts!

Err… well, it *could* work, couldn't it?

dezcom's picture

My last count on this was 503 glyphs. :-)

ChrisL

paul d hunt's picture

to me "Pro" is very much an Adobe thing which has been adopted by various other foundries. Personally, when i have my own foundry, all my feature-rich OT fonts will ship under the extention "Ultra" or some such nonsense.

dezcom's picture

Wish there was a shorter name, I'll think about it a bit.

Maybe Ext for extended?

ChrisL

dezcom's picture

OK, I thought about it. Instead of "Pro", what about "XL" for extended Latin (as well as extra large)? it is only 2 characters.

ChrisL

Geoff Riding's picture

I think it does depend on where you're selling this typeface as the extended character set is a major selling point.

If you’re publishing on MyFonts, it’s probably better to stick with “Pro”. I think, in spite of the Adobe connection, the term "Pro" is standardised in that buyers are more likely to recognise it as having an extended character set than any other term. So maybe using XL or Ultra etc. may have a negative bearing on sales as buyers could may just think it as some pseudo-gimmick naming extension. :^)

dezcom's picture

I guess I would have to hear from an Adobe source that the term "Pro" is not proprietary and indeed an attempt at a standard naming convention. Maybe Thomas might chime in on this issue?

ChrisL

franzheidl's picture

I'd suggest to stick with "Pro" too, there's enough things handled/named completely different by different foundries. I'd keep off "Ultra" though, simply as it might be taken for an indication of weight/style.

dezcom's picture

Thanks Franz. Perhaps its time I turned pro :-)

ChrisL

dezcom's picture

I finally got back to this and added Greek and Cyrillic. It needs kerning etc, but let me know how the new scripts look.

http://dezcom.com/weimar/Weimar_cyr-greek2.pdf

ChrisL

dezcom's picture

I just updated the Greek some and replaced the PDF.

ChrisL

dezcom's picture

Added some kerning in the Greek and changed the alpha again; adjusted xheight on greek; tweaked Cyrillic glyphs.

http://dezcom.com/weimar/Weimar_cyr-greek6.pdf

ChrisL

dezcom's picture

I am now making 2 versions, one more square and one with angles. Will post soon.

ChrisL

ebensorkin's picture

Get 'er done!

;-)

-e.

dezcom's picture

Thanks Eben :-)
I needed that.

Hope to see you in Boston,

ChrisL

paul d hunt's picture

chris, i like the square cyrillic as a companion for the original latin much better. i like the angular cyrillic as well, but it was feeling like a different face. very good job!

dezcom's picture

Thanks Paul. Now I have to revisit the Greek to see if I can get it squared away :-)

ChrisL

ebensorkin's picture

I admit I don't know jack about Greek forms but I was looking at the greek & this is *totally from the hip* , but I wonder if you should 'bend' the 'rules' to make the greek look somehow more greek. Get it 'Bend'? It's a good thing I don't pun for a living. Anyway, just thinking out loud.

And RE: Boston: Likewise!

dezcom's picture

Sound like you want me to throw a curve :-)

ChrisL

ebensorkin's picture

Maaaaaay be. Maybe not too. I realize that the straight lines are kinda the point of this face. Maybe instead of curves there could be rounding or corners for the greek - or - looking at the ampersand type battle thread - maybe more diagonals?

The idea that the design of a face should bend to the tendency of a language's form is an idea that I am basically sympathetic to - but which is very probably antithetical to the core inspiration of your type face. On the other hand sometimes good things come from tweaks and exceptions in type.

I guess I was wondering what you think about this kind of issue.

Anyway. Like I said before. Take this with lots & lots of salt.

Have you heard any comments on the greek version of the face outside of typophile?

-e.

Joe Pemberton's picture

Chris, I was searching google for Typophile images and found this. Sorry I missed this before, it's great!

(Here's the search I'm talking about: http://images.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=site:typophile.co... )

dezcom's picture

Thanks, Joe! One more to get out the door :-)

ChrisL

dezcom's picture

Joe,
Some cool images in your search collection! That was sure a memory jogger!
Fun stuff, you should make a film out of it for the next TypeCon film festival.

ChrisL

dezcom's picture

Joe,
Did you see this image before?:

ChrisL

paul d hunt's picture

not a bow-house?

dezcom's picture

Yes, Paul :-) But with a German accent :-P

Hey! Where are you? Are you in Reading yet?

ChrisL

paul d hunt's picture

i am in Reading. getting used to all the rain.

William Berkson's picture

>getting used to all the rain.

I remember when I first arrived in London as a student, I got up the first morning, and it was raining and the sky was a leaden gray. My hotel was in an area of gray buildings near Euston, and I was dizzy from jet lag. And I thought, 'Oh Lord, what have I got myself into.' Some years later, when I came back after being away, I was walking near Trafalgar square, and it was pouring rain and my heavy coat was penetrated by that chilling damp cold you seemingly can't escape. I saw the old street lamps reflecting in the wet street, and I felt wonderful: Great to be back home!

dezcom's picture

Damn, Paul, you are in Reading, Dude! :-)
Best of luck there, I know you will do well!

ChrisL

ebensorkin's picture

Here's to you Paul!!!

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