NOW Bold--The Sans of Time Moves to the DARK SIDE

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Continuing the saga of NOW and following on the heels of NOW Light comes the first sequel "NOW Bold--The Dark Side Menace!"

Attached below is a PDF from Dec. 27. I corrected superior and inferior numbers and a few other characters. The fractions now build out of OTF.

Comments are welcomed from one and all (See the white glyphs come over--to the Dark Side)

ChrisL

See last PDF called "NOW_boldnLight2-22a.pdf" for latest changes as of 2-21-06
Made corrections based on William Berkson's suggestions.

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rs_donsata's picture

The ra, ta, la, sa, and fa combinations look tight in some words. The acute accent on i seems a bit offset. Hypens still look a bit high.

Nice text to be set in spanish and portuguese!

Héctor

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Thanks Héctor!

I still have to revisit the spacing and hyphens again.

I was hoping someone would notice the text :-) I can't understand it but hoped it was saying what I thought the English version said on the UN site. I know only a hand full of Spanish words and no Portuguese.

ChrisL

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I just posted a new PDF (Now_BoldTpfle03.pdf) at the top with the latest changes.
I hope I have made Héctor's changes this time. I also touched up the cedilla.

ChrisL

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Mike,
There must be some kind of optical illusion thing going on. The G and U share the same lower right outline. Perhaps I misunderstood your question?

ChrisL

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"...I wonder if the tail on the l is sligtly too long at this weight. In the word typphile and ultra and biblio it looks fine...,"

Eben,
I shortened the tail on the l and respaced it. I think you were right.

ChrisL

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More tinkerings have just been posted above dated 12-23-05.

ChrisL

dave bailey's picture

holy vibrating colors batman! *shields eyes*

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I'm feelin' those "Good, good, good, Good Vibrations!, Vibrations!" :-)

ChrisL

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For Christmas, I just added the remaining glyphs including superior and inferior numbers so fractions build using frac feature. See PDF dated 12-25-05.

ChrisL

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I made more corrections including revision of superior and inferior numbers and some spacing changes.
I redid the cedilla and posted a Spanish and Portuguese file to show diacritics.

See 12/27/05 P{DF above as well as the new language PDF.

ChrisL

Miss Tiffany's picture

Sorry, Chris. -- *hangs head in shame.* -- became wrapped up in the holidays. I'll take a look now.

Miss Tiffany's picture

Chris, for how often those characters show up, perhaps I'm being anal. :^/

Sebastian Nagel's picture

sorry for interrupting and asking silly questions:
In pdf Now_BoldTpfle12-27-05.pdf, line seven (not counting headline):

There is the "bar" and the "brokenbar" (between "section" and "numbersign"). Is there any reason why they look so special as they do? Or is it "just" a design-choice?

Thanks,
Sebilar

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Actually, that is the dagger and the double dagger you are noticing. The bar and broken bar are quite plain and ordinary looking--so plain that I forgot to show them in the pdf :-)

ChrisL

Sebastian Nagel's picture

oookay :-) *hidingashamed*

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No sweat--and no need to hide :-)

ChrisL

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Hi Chris,

Just printed out your PDFs, comparing light and bold. To me the charms of the light came from the differing treatment of the round and branching letters (eg p vs n)--which at first I was doubtful about, but won me over because it works well. But in the black in the current form a lot of that is lost, I think. Part of the problem is I suspect that the spacing it too tight, and part, as others have said, that the branches of are not thinned enough coming into the stems, so that these letters look clotted. But also related to this is that you have lost the shapes of your counters in bolding, and with it some of the good character of the thin.

For example, the branch of the bold n heads into the stem at a much greater angle on the counter side. I think it would worth trying to preserve the shapes of the flatter counter in the n as you bold, and to do this by thinning the bolded letter on the top side of the join between the branch and the stem. Futura does this kind of thing--keeping the circular counters, and greatly distorting the (supposedly but really not) 'geometrical' outer outline of the letter.

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Thanks William. I have been taking a break from type design for a month or so to try to get a more naive look at what I have done. When I start back again from my hiatus, I will take a look at what you mean in a more determined way. I appreciate your continued commentary.

ChrisL

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I think in my initial post in this thread I was trying to get at the same ideas that William wrote about just now - although he has written about it in a far more lucid manner than I did.

I am takling a small break from type design too - and for the same reason - to look with fresh eyes.

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Thanks Eben, nothing like time passage to let you see the forest instead of the trees :-)

ChrisL

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William and Eben,
I have made corrections suggested in Williams most recent post. I think it is a real improvement. The bold looks much more crisp now. See the last file in the list above called "...bold&lite"

Thanks for your help, it made a quantum leap.

ChrisL

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Chris, I'm getting a 'page not found' error message instead of the PDF when I click on the link.

sim's picture

:^(
I get the same error message too.

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Strange, I get the same message now too. I will repost it tonight when I get home.

ChrisL

PS: I wonder if the ampersand in the file name is the culprit?

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I edited the initial post a re-attached the PDF file. The new file name is: "NOW_boldnLight2-22.pdf"
I hope it works this time. I took out the ampersand incase that was the culprit.

ChrisL

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It looks very nice, Chris. How many weights are we going to see?

Just one nit-pick, the registered symbol should usually be superscript.

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Thanks Paul!
I am planning to add a regular, a medium, and a black and hairline next with italics afterwards. I also envision a condensed set--perhaps even an inscriptional capitals version at some point.

I'll add the superscript registered for you too Paul :-)

ChrisL

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I made some minor tweaks to the joins on b, d, p, and q to more follow the n and h. I replaced the last PDF with a 22a designation.

ChrisL

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Chris, I think those 'minor tweaks' made a major move to get the spirit of your light version. I still have the impression that it is spaced too tight. Is there some reason for this?

Overall the question I think is how to treat the joins so the counters will sing in the way you want. They are starting to sing, but I think they can become still sweeter if you have some more bashes at it.

Here is a comparison of the way Franklin and Futura handle the joins on the h:

Franklin has generally more of a two-weight look, with thinner horizontals. And Future more of a one weight look, but with quite pinched joins. I think experimenting further with this will even more get you where you want to go, but I think you have definitely got much closer.

Good luck with it!

ps. should the foot of the l be a little fatter? I was waiting to get accustomed to the bent stems on the tops of the i and j, but I still find them distracting. They don't have the logic of the bent stems on the nm, and they aren't full serifs. For me they are too in-between.

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