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knap's picture

Hi Folks,
What's this animal? Watch the curve inside 'a'.
Adjusted AG/Basic Commercial perhaps?

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Ryuk's picture

Taking in consideration period of 1965, pre-digital area and printing process, the closest approximation you could get to me is definitely Akzidenz Grotesk. This /a curve is even actually closer to Helvetica for me.
BTW, Basic Commercial is Azidenz Grotesk: http://typophile.com/node/43625

oldnick's picture

Also, given the timeframe, it could be a proprietary phototypesetting knock-off (Helios, Megaron, etc.) of Helvetica…

Ryuk's picture

First time I heard of these Helvetica knock-offs. Thanks Nick! For the rest, I really don't think it could be closer to Helvetica or one of its knock-offs. /R, /S, /s and /e are definitely "Akzidenz Grotesk-ish" and even if this kind of /R could be found as alternate in Neue Haas Grotesk. May be a different cut from Berthold's, a step between (Berthold) Lange's Akzidenz Grotesk and (Haas) Miedinger's Neue Haas Grotesk soon-to-be-renamed Helvetica.

knap's picture

Really nice knock-off then.. BTW this reminds me the crisp type (custom?) from Harpers Bazaar US (attachment, 1999) – which looks like was inspired by both AG and Franklin Gothics.

Ryuk's picture

Haas Unica is also close (/R still off) but Akzidenz grotesk remains closer to me.

knap's picture

To me PabloImpallari's find (scan detail) looks much like it.

Ryuk's picture

Yes, saw that too! But unfortunately, it doesn't solve the problem ;)

hrant's picture

Maybe in this case the solution is not having the font? Although I personally don't at all appreciate people squatting on a gem like Unica.


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