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Would these be considered bastarda scripts? ( At least, I don't think they're rotunda.)
While some of the details are different, I suspect they're based on the same calligraphic pattern, at least ultimately. Does anyone know of a typeface that uses the same pattern/design? I'm not specifically searching for one; I'm considering making a typeface out of one or the other (or a combination of the two) and was just curious how close it would come to duplicating existing work.