iTunes & Helvetica: Cast your vote

Chris Dean's picture

iTunes 11.0 uses Helvetica for its user interface. Cast your vote:

1 = Strongly dislike
2 = Dislike
3 = Neutral
4 = Like
5 = Strongly like

Chris Dean's picture

How do you feel about Helvetica and iTunes James?

John Hudson's picture

Which fonts would be better choices?

Arial.

[Ducks and runs for cover.]

Rob O. Font's picture

3

"iTunes isn't immersive reading. Helvetica is entirely adequate for the job."

What does any of that have to do with it!? ;)

(Meanwhile, and speaking of emersive reading, the latest iPadKindle update has a new and more interesting font menu... including, at last, a "publisher font" option. Whew!)

Stephen Coles's picture

James Michaels - Why not change your user name to your full name and avoid any further confusion? Also, the man's name is Jony Ive. No 's'.

Stephen Coles's picture

There are three kinds of reading:

  1. Display (posters, logos, headlines). This includes the decorative, graphic, and eye-catching.
  2. Informational, at-a-glance (charts, tables, prices, data, UI, iTunes). This requires legibility.
  3. Immersive, long-form (paragraphs of text). This requires readability.

To me, Helvetica isn't a good choice for categories 2 or 3. But this is considering functionality. I assume Apple's choice of Helvetica is mostly an aesthetic/branding decision. Unfortunately, they are prioritizing form over function for iTunes, iOS, and other software.

.00's picture

How do you feel about Helvetica and iTunes James?

Neutral (3). I'm glad that a humanist sans was not used.

I would have preferred a nice square sans!

Nick Shinn's picture

I would be interested in a random option.
Sort of like shuffle.
I mean, who wants to listen to the same old shit all the time?
OK, some people, but not me.
Apply that concept to font selection.

Té Rowan's picture

@Typogruffer – That's a paraphrase of Zawinski's Law, btw.

Chris Dean's picture

So far here’s our stats:

n = 10
M = 2.6
SD = 0.843

n = The number of prople who voted.
M =Mean. The average vote.
SD = Standard Deviation. The average variation of each vote from the mean.

Chris Dean's picture

Unfortunately, they are prioritizing form over function for iTunes, iOS, and other software.”

Agree. That’s why I think they’ll be font fashion conscious.

enne_son's picture

n = 10 / M = 2.6 / SD = 0.843

So Chris, does that mean that in a representative (?) selection of typophiles, opinions are skewed toward dislike, but that most subjects have opinions that are almost halfway between strong and neutral in either direction, but relatively few are entirely neutral, or feel strongly in one or the other direction?

Chris Dean's picture

I’m not sure I understand your various interpretations. Are you suggesting 3 possibilities?

1. “…a representative (?) selection of typophiles, opinions are skewed toward dislike…”
2. “…that most subjects have opinions that are almost halfway between strong and neutral in either direction…”
3. “…relatively few are entirely neutral, or feel strongly in one or the other direction?

That’s a bit of a run-on sentence. Can you please rephrase?

Chris Dean's picture

And it just occurred to me, the raw data is in this thread. Including (valid?) demographic data for who voted.

enne_son's picture

Chris, I was trying to get you to do the work of interpreting the data.

n = 10 / M = 2.6 / SD = 0.843

[Rephrased]
Does that mean that in a representative* selection of typophiles:
1) the balance of opinion (Mean) is skewed toward dislike,
but:
2) most subjects have opinions that are almost halfway between strong and neutral (Standard Deviation — which is quite large) in either direction,
and:
3) relatively few subjects are either entirely neutral, or feel strongly in one or the other direction (Distribution, which you didn’t calculate)?

• (which you didn't test or confirm)

I thought of this as the total picture, which is complex, not alternate interpretations.

JamesM's picture

Using statistical analysis seems rather pointless, this isn't a statistically valid survey, it's just a handful of people volunteering their opinions.

If you don't like Apple's font choices, send them a thoughtful, persuasive letter about it. Better yet, ask each person who's upset to send a separate letter.

hrant's picture

And suggest they at least recycle all that paper.

hhp

Thomas Phinney's picture

James .00 Montalbano: A pity y'all couldn't come to terms. :(

hrant's picture

Indeed Clearview might have made some cultural sense. To Americans. Some Americans.

On the other hand I would reiterate my reaction to a Florida official's suggestion that they should have used Interstate for their infamous ballots back in 2000 by saying, yeah, give me one of those and I'll ask her to read it while I smash her face with it at 65mph.

In the end signage type is for signage, not small hand-held emissive screens.

Why not change your user name to your full name

So "JamesM" is a problem but switching to ".00" after 8+ years is not?
Respect respect.

hhp

John Hudson's picture

In the end signage type is for signage, not small hand-held emissive screens.

I presume the Clearview suggestion was in relation to ClearviewText, not the ClearviewHwy signage fonts.

By the way, there is a thoughtful and detailed article about the development of Clearview, written by Dave Farey, in the latest issue of the St Bride Library journal (website woefully out of date).

JamesM's picture

> James Michaels - Why not change your user name
> to your full name and avoid any further confusion?

Stephen, I'll consider that, but I've been using the same username here for almost 3 years.

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