Character Access

sean's picture

I can't access the fraction characters from my key board. How do I do this? I can't get to any of the "C- " characters.

I have included a picture to show what I am trying to access.

I am on a Mac in Quark. I've tried Illustrator too. No go.



Thanks,
-smc

Oh yea. Bonus for naming the type sample.

cheshiredave's picture

Well, it looks a lot like Mrs. Eaves, but in terms of accessing the characters, I think you need to be on a Windows machine to take advantage of them. See Adobe's note on the subject.

cheshiredave's picture

Oops, sorry, that would be Mrs Eaves. Note the British lack of trailing period, which I've always thought quite classy.

sean's picture

You are right on both accounts Dave.

I guess my only option is to create a new font if I want these characters included in a design I am making uh?

Seems silly. oh well.

Thanks Dave.

-smc

kentlew's picture

Sean --

The only way to access these from the Mac is indeed to reconfigure the font and generate a custom version. Some licenses will allow you to make a derivative like this, others won't. Emigre's license does not allow for this without permission.

But in the case of Mrs Eaves, there's a fraction font that gives you access to the basic three fractions and a whole lot more. I don't think this is part of the basic package, but if you really want those fractions, you should consider licensing it.

In general, though, if you create a custom configuration and place these characters in some of the lesser-used slots, be careful when generating your font to specify Macintosh encoding and not Adobe Standard or you may still not be able to get to your characters, since the Adobe Standard encoding substitutes several characters from the Symbol font.

I've seen this cause untold confusion before.

Let me know if you need more explanation.

-- K.

John Nolan's picture

What's silly is not using InDesign, which gives you access to all glyphs.

sean's picture

Ah! John you answered my next question. So I'm silly eh?:-) What would happen if you typed the character in ID then copied and pasted to Quark?

Kent- Mrs Eaves was just for my example. The question was pertaining to some cheesy font (no not that one!) that I am working on. Don't worry I am still focused. I would truly be silly if I was working on this kind thing on that other font yet. Thanks.

-smc

John Nolan's picture

Sean:
Aw, just kiddin' around. Cheap shot, I know.

What would happen when you paste into Quark? Honestly don't know, but I think it would disappear.

kentlew's picture

I suspect, the same as John, that the fraction would disappear when pasted from Indy to Quark, since Quark wouldn't interpret the Unicode character code.

BTW, Matthew Carter has the fractions in accessible slots of Miller -- onequarter is opt-w, onehalf is shift-opt-p, and threequarters is opt-v. In Whitman, I've placed them slightly differently -- onequarter = opt-w, onehalf = opt-d, and threequarters = opt-j.

This kind of nonstandard encoding is frowned upon by many, as it will "break" your underlying text. But as fabulous as Indy is reported to be, until Quark supports OT/Unicode this sort of thing will likely continue. Many of my clients have too much invested in and are too dependent upon Quark workflows for there to be any significant change in the near future.

-- K.

sean's picture

If its good enough for Whitman its good enough for Mofle.

Thanks Kent. That I can chew on. So is Whitman missing Sigma and Pi?

-smc

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