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In the video here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F691weEVpwc&feature=related
....Erik Spiekermann says his favorite letter is the "small a"...I totally agree....It is the most complex and has the most potential for variation as he says....That is one of the reasons I have always been fascinated with the "Galliard" typeface, it is revolutionary since it dares to "throw away" much of the potential variation of the small letter a and replace that with just a uniform width straight line!!!....INGENIOUS I say.....
27 Jul 2012 — 8:48pm
PS...I know, that straight line in Galliard's small a is not exactly uniform width, it is slightly narrower at the upper right part etc, but at 12 or 14 point that detail is hard to tell and few notice it.
27 Jul 2012 — 8:56pm
The Armenian lowercase հ. It has so many stories to tell, not least about the future.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/istype/7605119742
hhp
28 Jul 2012 — 7:01am
Some S's that I have made throughout my career. The S is my favorite letter. Some are fonts and others are lettering jobs. :)
28 Jul 2012 — 7:04am
Have you ever made the so called "archaic long s"?
28 Jul 2012 — 7:13am
When I was practicing Spencerian years ago I made the long s. Not sure if that is the same thing you are talking about.
28 Jul 2012 — 7:30am
I am referring to the long s that looks like an f without the right side part of the f cross bar.
28 Jul 2012 — 7:37am
Sounds like a normal long s to me.
28 Jul 2012 — 7:38am
The ones I did years ago just looked like an f without the crossbar.
28 Jul 2012 — 8:22am
My favourite glyph to make is the asterisk, and it's got to be five-pointed.
28 Jul 2012 — 8:25am
And upside-down, or in certain styles slightly rotated.
hhp
28 Jul 2012 — 11:03am
Charles, wow, I'm surprised anyone likes the S! For me I spend about ten times the amount of time on the s then I have to on any other glyph.
28 Jul 2012 — 11:49am
I would definitely pick capital R (apparently Erik Spiekermann's second favorite ^_^), I love when it isn't connected in the middle. It also has some sort of dynamism (maybe due to straight, curved and diagonal lines all in one letterform) and crispness to it that I like much.
28 Jul 2012 — 11:38pm
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29 Jul 2012 — 8:12am
Ryan,
That is why I like the S so much. Once you have mastered the S the other letters are easy :)
29 Jul 2012 — 1:21pm
@Ryan Maelhorn:
For me I spend about ten times the amount of time on the s then I have to on any other glyph.
Then Donald Knuth's experience in the design of Computer Modern is not atypical.
29 Jul 2012 — 2:32pm
That's at least half a coincidence, since he was only doing about half type design...
hhp
29 Jul 2012 — 4:44pm
Then Donald Knuth's experience in the design of Computer Modern is not atypical.
Seems there would be no better place to find that out than here.
What does everyone else say? Is the S the hardest latin glyph?
29 Jul 2012 — 4:52pm
To me it's the binocular "g", by a long shot. And I'm not speaking only from my own experience - it's quite common to see a font that works fine... except for the "g"; or a font where the "g" is lifted/modified from an accomplished typeface because the designer couldn't get it right.
hhp
30 Jul 2012 — 8:47am
S, yes. As for favorites, I like the i no dot the most. Vertical bar next. Then the back slash... Period and comma next... Then the stuff you can combine from that. Then the stuff you get to flip, so its two for one. Then then stuff you can just cut and paste from other stuff, all the way the down to... the S, no... the s is harder, less room. But the S is more filling, so it could be a toss up.;)
29 Jul 2012 — 6:45pm
I also love drawing the "S" because it has more gain than pain. For the opposite reason, I hate drawing "W."
My favorite roman is the lower case "g"--here is one I am soon going to release (as a glyph) as part of my typeface Dez Petranian.
29 Jul 2012 — 7:00pm
Gazimough, from the zingauloonian carbon script. Impossible to render with technology available in this sector.
29 Jul 2012 — 8:49pm
5ive.
n.
31 Jul 2012 — 11:21am
@5star:
5ive.
Hmm. Inspired by this famous painting, were you?
http://www.wisdomportal.com/Christmas/Figure5InGold.html
31 Jul 2012 — 7:31pm
@quadibloc , Demuth's for sure, and J.J.'s too (amongst others)!
www.graphicdeclaration.com/images/JasperJohns_5.jpg
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3 Aug 2012 — 6:00pm
Binocular, Hrant, seriously?
3 Aug 2012 — 6:11pm
I used to call it "bicameral", but Kent convinced me (via Bringhurst IIRC) that that's better reserved for describing writing systems with two cases (such as Latin and Armenian). One reason "binocular" works is that "eye" is an accepted term in type design. What's you preferred term? I hope it's not "two-story"...
BTW, in this entire thread is that the only thing you found worthy of discussion?
hhp
3 Aug 2012 — 6:43pm
I hate all letters. they're all so damn devilish. What's to like about ay of them?
R is OK, and being the initial letter of my first name may or may not be coincidental.
3 Aug 2012 — 8:45pm
The letters are fine...then you have to fit them together!
4 Aug 2012 — 3:57pm
Binocular implies equal size. Two, or double, story seems descriptive enough.
4 Aug 2012 — 4:10pm
Let’s call it the “Rollei g”, then ;-)
23 Aug 2012 — 7:45pm
I spend so much time with letters, that I am a bit jaded. So I have chosen ð (lowercase eth) as my favorite.
24 Aug 2012 — 10:00am
Hrant: One reason "binocular" works is that "eye" is an accepted term in type design.
Which is why I have taken to calling it the ‘do chashmī g’, akin to the two-eyed ھ. Well, alright, I actually call it two-eyed most of the time, but it sounds better in Persian.
24 Aug 2012 — 11:09am
I don’t really think of letters in terms of favorites, but there are certain Greek and Cyrillic characters which I often find remarkably difficult to draw, and not because I am a native Latin user.
I suspect it is because with Greek the letters are very “scripty”, and don’t adapt well to more rigid typographic conventions that stem from the Latin typographic tradition. With Cyrillic, it’s the other way around.
I wonder if native Cyrillic and Greek type designers have a similar experience.
24 Aug 2012 — 11:27am
I am only half-way into the "native" Greek category since my family is from Greece and I was born in the USA but I see what you are saying, Nick. I was taught both Greek and English from birth but my first few years of life were spent in my grandparents house (where only Greek was spoken) while my father was away at WWII. I attended Greek School up in to high school as well so I was quite familiar with the Greek script. I have no problem "seeing" and drawing the glyph forms of Greek because they seem quite normal to me. I don't think it is a question of being "scripty" as much as being familiar. The Greek theta is a glyph that is not particularly scripty but it is very strange looking to the non-Greek because it is so very tall and thin compared to any English letter. I would bet that the biggest problem a non-greek type designer would have was to actually be able to believe the theta was really that narrow.
24 Aug 2012 — 5:58pm
BTW, you can be native in more than one script.
hhp
24 Aug 2012 — 6:29pm
Hrant, yes, you can be. I just don't know if I qualify as native in Greek or not. I spoke Greek as a child but rarely after my college years and I was not born in Greece so that is why I say I am only half-way native in Greek.
25 Aug 2012 — 9:51am
'Two story' seems to be the term most people know, if they know any at all. From a pragmatical pov I vote we keep 'two story.'
25 Aug 2012 — 1:59pm
There's only one story here, and it's two storey.
9 Oct 2012 — 1:50pm
Although I participated in this thread at the time, I did not try to name a favorite letter of my own. I use all 26 of the letters of the Latin alphabet to communicate with, and I just don't relate to them in a way that inspires me to single any one of them out.
However, just recently, I learned of a lonely orphan letter that needs a little help.
On my website, I have a page about various typewriter keyboard arrangements. Recently, I learned of the existence on the web of copies of a book I thought only existed in a lost manuscript. It was a Russian-language book from 1913.
And, thus, of course, it was in the old orthography, the new orthography only being decreed in 1918. This led to my becoming curious about how the change in orthography affected the Russian typewriter keyboard, and hence I made an addition to the page referenced above.
Even before this, I had run across claims that one of the letters eliminated from Russian, Ѣ or ѣ, "yat", was not actually identical in pronounciation to the letter currently used for it, at least in some dialects of Russian, and indeed distinguished words distinct in meaning.
So I think that I will adopt "yat" as my favorite letter, at least at the moment.
9 Oct 2012 — 3:43pm
Nice choice - always cool to side with an underdog.
Many years ago an academic requested that I add a letter to one of my Armenian fonts; he was writing a paper about pre-Mashtots Armenian and claimed that we used to have a sound like the Arabic ح (which I'm not sure how to properly describe) that got lost when our alphabet was implemented. According to his research the word for "lion" for example (առիւծ, which sounds like "arrouydz") originally started with that sound instead of an "a" sound (which actually makes sense if you know what ح sounds like :-).
hhp
9 Oct 2012 — 4:08pm
... a sound like the Arabic ح (which I'm not sure how to properly describe)...
Voiceless pharyngeal fricative, a sound produced by constricting the flow of air with the base of the tongue at the back of the throat.
9 Oct 2012 — 5:09pm
Unfortunately, such a technical term as "voiceless pharyngeal fricative" fails to have meaning to me; I will have to learn.
But a Google search got me to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heth
and some other articles, where I see that it is symbolized by ḥ (Hmm.. the "ḥ" in Muḥammad!) or by ħ... and is at least one possible old pronounciation of the Hebrew letter ח .
If the sound was lost from Armenian before its alphabet was formed, then, unlike the case for the Brahmi family of abugidas, it may be hard to decide what the new letter for Armenian "should" look like.
Had Armenian been written with the Cyrillic script, then when there is no letter for a given sound in Greek, the practice of turning to Hebrew for inspiration already has a precedent: Ш. Unfortunately, that would imply the new letter would look like П, and that shape happens to already be taken.
9 Oct 2012 — 5:48pm
Or most anybody else. Thinking about how it's vocalized (and hoping that nobody reading is about to have a meal...) I would say it sounds like the beginning of gradually trying to clear phlegm from your throat. :-/
Mashtots's shoes are certainly very hard to fill... The academic in question simply wanted it to look like the Thorn. I wasn't thrilled by that, but he was firm on it.
Which, in contrast to their success with the Azeris, the Soviets had the sense not to attempt with us!
BTW your П derivation escapes me.
hhp
9 Oct 2012 — 6:30pm
Why, the very idea of a favorite letter is antithetical to a type designer.
(never mind me. I just like the sound of the word "antithetical" lately.)
9 Oct 2012 — 8:04pm
My favorite letter is the one from Ed McMahon.
10 Oct 2012 — 9:16am
It depends upon the typeface for me. I've always like the uppercase 'G' set in Univers 65. Don't know why.
Otherwise, I really like the eszett (ß). Again, don't know why.
10 Oct 2012 — 1:53pm
@hrant:
BTW your П derivation escapes me.
It was perhaps to trivial for you to notice. Since the Hebrew letter "Heth" was supposed to have this sound, a Latinized version of the shape would look like the Russian letter P, if we use the relationship between Shin and the Russian letter Sh as our guide.
@russellm:
Why, the very idea of a favorite letter is antithetical to a type designer.
No, no. The very idea of a favorite letter is antithetical to the craft of type design, and therefore the very idea of a favorite letter should be anathema to a type designer.
If we're going to toss around big words here, let's do it right, people.
10 Oct 2012 — 10:23am
Pickeeee. :-)
hhp
10 Oct 2012 — 11:16am
uch a technical term as "voiceless pharyngeal fricative" fails to have meaning to me
That is why I provided the simple description of how the sound is produced: 'a sound produced by constricting the flow of air with the base of the tongue at the back of the throat'.
The only way to accurately describe vocalisation is to describe how sounds are produced. The technical name is simply a shorthand for such description. Trying to describe what the sound sounds like isn't helpful, because different people will have a different sense of what is meant by e.g. 'it sounds like the beginning of gradually trying to clear phlegm from your throat'. So one needs to talk about the parts of the vocal system and what is happening to produce a given sound, which can then be reproduced by anyone with a (physiologically normal) vocal system, even if the sound isn't part of his or her language. So, in this case, concentrate on moving the back of the tongue towards the back of the throat to constrict the flow of air, then pick a vowel and try to make a sound. :)
10 Oct 2012 — 11:19am
The very idea of a favorite letter is antithetical to the craft of type design, and therefore the very idea of a favorite letter should be anathema to a type designer. If we're going to toss around big words here, let's do it right, people.
Hmph! Well then...
You assume the common modern meaning of anathema, I presume, rather than its original meaning of something set aside as holy.