Zurich & univers

fermello78's picture

Is the relation between Zurich and Univers something similar to Arial and Helvetica?
They are very similar.

eomine's picture

Check the first half of this thread.
You'll find some links and info there.

In my point-of-view, Zurich is not to Univers what Arial is to Helvetica.
The Zurich issue (naming, copyright) is different from Arial issue (design).

Mark Simonson's picture

Zurich is Bitstream's version of Univers. The designs are as close as any two versions of the same typefaces can be except in name. Now that they've reached reached an agreement with Linotype, they will be calling it Univers as well.

This will never happen with Arial. It's superficially similar, but its details are quite different from Helvetica. They do share the same character widths and weights. This is due to the fact that Arial was created as a substitute for Helvetica.

gln's picture

Yves,

Can you list other font name combinations that are the same like Zurich-Univers or point me to a link that has that information.

I have the entire original Adobe CD collection but would like to use the best digitized face no matter who made it.

Thanks,
gln

rs_donsata's picture

Well i took a look yesterday to identifont and found these:

aldine 401 = bembo
classical garamond = sabon
dutch 766 = adobe caslon
dutch 801 = times headline
dutch 811 = olympian
dutch 823 = aster
elegant garamond = granjon
geometric 231 = kabel
geometric 415 = metro
geometric 706 = neuzeit grotesk
geometric slabserif 703 = memphis
geometric slabserif 712 = rockwell
gothic 720 = venus halbfett
humanist 521 = gill sans
humanist 531 = syntax
humanist 731 = frutiger
incised 901 = antique olive
kuenstler 480 = trump mediaeval
lapidary 333 = perpetua
latin 725 = meridien
modern 880 = linotype modern
monospace 821 = helvetica monosp.
news 701 = ionic no 5
news 702 = exc

Bald Condensed's picture

> In my point-of-view, Zurich is not to Univers what
Arial is to Helvetica.
The Zurich issue (naming, copyright) is different from
Arial issue (design).


Uh-huh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. The whole
Helvetica/Arial, Times/Times New Roman PS etc. thing
is a naming and copyright thing too.

Bald Condensed's picture

> They do share the same character widths and weights.
This is due to the fact that Arial was created as a substitute
for Helvetica.


That's exactly why I regard it as a naming and copyright
thing too.

> Zurich has the (original?) ampersand.

Yes, that's the original. Adobe sure did an awful job
at digitizing those early fonts. That's why FontShop
always recommended the Bitstream versions to users.

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