It's not about money, it's about ethics. Being a student has nothing to do with it.
Try not to read these comments as lecture, but consider them as advice from those in the same profession you are aspiring to. Maybe you can raise the question with your instructors and spark a valauble discussion on this and other issues of professional practice.
I appreciate advice, but what Yves wrote was obviously nothing more than an unnecessary rude comment.
He didn't have to be so rude and sarcastic. I may have asked a naive question, but at least I was nice about it! Just because the answer may be obvious to you, does not warrant a reply in such a cocky, uptight manner.
Hi Cheryl, I profusely apologize for my seemingly kneejerk reaction, as it appears to have come across a lot ruder than I intended it to be. I did use to have a very unpleasant online personality, but I really try hard to better my life. Let's just say that I sometimes tend to forget that the absence of facial expression and tone of voice creates confusion quite often. Furthermore I didn't have a clue that you were a student/novice, so my first impression was that of someone coming into a jeweller's convention asking how/where they could steal some jewelry. Again, I'm very sorry, and your comments hurt my feelings probably as much as my comment hurt yours. Point taken.
Back on topic: besides the tips offered by Messrs. Nolan and Earls, may I be so bald (!) to point you to Fontlover!.com which links to a large number of websites which offer freeware/shareware fonts. Some of them are crap, some of them are quite good, not all of them have full character sets, but hey: they're free. I personally have extensively researched these sites and can guarantee you it will be worth your while.
PS THX Hrant. It seems this time I was the "grumpy old uncle"... I'll never ever make that remark again. ;)
Oh, and Cheryl: thanks for visiting Typophile. I hope you find your stay here as enjoyable and edifying as I have found it since crash-landing here last november.
If nothing else, this is turning out to be a good resource for education licences. I didn't even know about any of those, not that I can make use of any of them. :-(
It's gonna take me a while to read those two threads posted by Hrant and Scoles. They're really long, and I read really slow. On screen, anyway.
Talking about education licenses: I think it never hurts to address a letter or e-mail to a type vendor and explain your case if you're a student on a shoe-string budget. Being straightforward and asking nicely sometimes does wonders. (Unless there's a rude fah-fahing professional on the other side of the line... :/ ) I mean, we did sponsor schools and students back in my FontShop days. I suppose there's others with common sense and a big heart.
> Unless there's a rude fah-fahing professional on the other side of the line...
No, even then it's worth it, because you can make the inconsiderate reply public, and embarass them. Use their own best weapons against them, is one of my life rules.
8 Feb 2003 — 3:22pm
We don't do that around here.
hhp
9 Feb 2003 — 2:54am
You really thought "Pretty Please" would help? Sheesh...
Hey guys, I need the new Massive Attack "100th Window" album... anyone know if/where I can get it for free?
Eh...
Hmmm... bad analogy. :/
9 Feb 2003 — 7:44am
ALright, alright, enough with the sarcasm.
As a student I dont have an unlimited budget to spend on fonts, unlike you fah-fahing professionals.
Soreeeeeeeee! Sheesh.
9 Feb 2003 — 9:10am
Cheryl,
It's not about money, it's about ethics. Being a student has nothing to do with it.
Try not to read these comments as lecture, but consider them as advice from those in the same profession you are aspiring to. Maybe you can raise the question with your instructors and spark a valauble discussion on this and other issues of professional practice.
9 Feb 2003 — 2:36pm
I appreciate advice, but what Yves wrote was obviously nothing more than an unnecessary rude comment.
He didn't have to be so rude and sarcastic.
I may have asked a naive question, but at least I was nice about it! Just because the answer may be obvious to you, does not warrant a reply in such a cocky, uptight manner.
9 Feb 2003 — 4:23pm
I would have to agree, if only to a limited extent.
But Yves is a good guy, so it's not so bad.
hhp
9 Feb 2003 — 6:55pm
This reminds me of a discussion a while back about whether fonts should come with different pricing for different types of users.
I mean some programmes come with an educational license. Why shouldn't fonts have the same thing?
There's no reason why someone like Cheryl should have to pay the same amount as Nike for the use of a font.
What's preventing the foundries from doing something like that? It might even break the vicious piracy cycle. Or would it make it even more rampant?
9 Feb 2003 — 7:03pm
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
Hmmm...where have I heard that before?
9 Feb 2003 — 9:12pm
http://www.typophile.com/forums/messages/4102/692.html
hhp
10 Feb 2003 — 3:08am
Adobe offers a pretty good deal with its Type Classics for Learning.
10 Feb 2003 — 3:38am
T26 ( www.t26.com ) also offer a 40% student discount.
10 Feb 2003 — 4:26am
Hi Cheryl, I profusely apologize for my seemingly kneejerk reaction, as it appears to have come across a lot ruder than I intended it to be. I did use to have a very unpleasant online personality, but I really try hard to better my life. Let's just say that I sometimes tend to forget that the absence of facial expression and tone of voice creates confusion quite often. Furthermore I didn't have a clue that you were a student/novice, so my first impression was that of someone coming into a jeweller's convention asking how/where they could steal some jewelry. Again, I'm very sorry, and your comments hurt my feelings probably as much as my comment hurt yours. Point taken.
Back on topic: besides the tips offered by Messrs. Nolan and Earls, may I be so bald (!) to point you to Fontlover!.com which links to a large number of websites which offer freeware/shareware fonts. Some of them are crap, some of them are quite good, not all of them have full character sets, but hey: they're free. I personally have extensively researched these sites and can guarantee you it will be worth your while.
PS THX Hrant. It seems this time I was the "grumpy old uncle"... I'll never ever make that remark again. ;)
10 Feb 2003 — 4:28am
Oh, and Cheryl: thanks for visiting Typophile. I hope you find your stay here as enjoyable and edifying as I have found it since crash-landing here last november.
10 Feb 2003 — 7:06am
Great appology Yves! I think Cheryl will find it in her heart to forgive you after this. I bet you were on your knees while typing it.
10 Feb 2003 — 7:22am
Don't push it, Silly. ;) I was sincere: I apologize, but I don't grovel. I didn't murder anyone last time I checked. ;p
10 Feb 2003 — 8:12am
If nothing else, this is turning out to be a good resource for education licences. I didn't even know about any of those, not that I can make use of any of them. :-(
It's gonna take me a while to read those two threads posted by Hrant and Scoles. They're really long, and I read really slow. On screen, anyway.
10 Feb 2003 — 12:26pm
Talking about education licenses: I think it never hurts to address a letter or e-mail to a type vendor and explain your case if you're a student on a shoe-string budget. Being straightforward and asking nicely sometimes does wonders. (Unless there's a rude fah-fahing professional on the other side of the line... :/ ) I mean, we did sponsor schools and students back in my FontShop days. I suppose there's others with common sense and a big heart.
10 Feb 2003 — 12:34pm
> Unless there's a rude fah-fahing professional on the other side of the line...
No, even then it's worth it, because you can make the inconsiderate reply public, and embarass them. Use their own best weapons against them, is one of my life rules.
hhp
10 Feb 2003 — 2:16pm
It was nice of you to apologise, Yves. No hard feelings.
Thank you all for the advice.
9 Feb 2003 — 9:21pm
And http://typographi.ca/2002_09_27.php#000338