(x) cover type for "The Elements of Typographic Style" (3rd Edition) - URW Alcuin {Mark S}

octoploid's picture

Does anyone know what fonts Bringhurst used in the
third edition of his classic Elements of Typographic Style?
Judging from the new titlepage:
http://www.nijhoflee.nl/img2/zoom/9780881792065.jpg
he changed the main text font.

grod's picture

has the content changed signifcantly? Do I need to buy the new edititon? (I have 2.5)

mike gastin's picture

I would also like to know how much has changed. Good question, Noah.

Forrest L Norvell's picture

Well, he reset the text in InDesign (so each successive edition has been set in a different program). That's worth something, isn't it?

jason's picture

The main copy is still set in Minion (that is, the newly expanded version of Minion Pro), but the display face has changed. I'm not sure what it is.

As for content, there is a significant amount of new stuff. In addition to some new fonts discussed in Chapter 11 ("Prowling the Specimen Books"), Appendix A (The Working Alphabet) is massively expanded with detailed listings of a wide range of basic and inflected character sets, including analphabetics (Latin, Greek, Russian/Cyrillic, etc.). This latter addition is likely the result of Bringhurst

Mark Simonson's picture

I got tired of waiting for this to move over to the Type I.D. area. The new title font is URW Alcuin, designed in 1991 by Gudrun Zapf-von Hess. It's described on page 205 of Version 2.4.

As in earlier versions, "of" and "Robert Bringhurst" are set in Poetica Chancery I.

As for the bundle of e's in the corner, they're probably all mentioned in the book somewhere.

hrant's picture

Good Alcuin stuff here:
http://www.daidala.com/19aug2003.html

I think it's too chirographic for a book about typography.
A little bit of respect for the integrity of the craft, come on.

hhp

hrant's picture

Yves, u da man, twice.

hhp

Mark Simonson's picture

I had my tongue in my cheek when I made the comment about being impatient about the thread not moving. To use a smilie or not to use a smilie...it's really hard to tell sometimes.

smarks's picture

Hey Yves, keep up the great work! I'm a relative newbie here, but I remember receiving a very nice welcome note from you after my very first post. It makes participation in this board enjoyable.

I do rather like Alcuin, though.

Mike F's picture

Yves, I've often gotten the feeling that you're overworked moderating
this forum in addition to "real life". Who wouldn't be. You do a splendid
job.

Are there not, say, three other trustworthy stalwarts (Mark, Tiffany,
Idunno, for example ... ?) who might serve as moderators so that
you'd be able to relieve each other in quarterly intervals? Three
months as moderator, then nine months off! Even one six-month
alternate would provide a sanity reprieve.

Anyway ... thank you for your labors and time.

Bald Condensed's picture

This should go in the Type Identification Board, Octoploid.
I will move it shortly.

Bald Condensed's picture

I think it would've looked better in Thierry Puyfoulhoux' (what a name!) :-)
Cicero.

Miss Tiffany's picture

> > :D I'll move the thread now Mark. :D

Miss Tiffany's picture

thread moved for Mark and because Yves didn't do it. ;)

Bald Condensed's picture

quote:

I got tired of waiting for this to move over to the Type I.D. area.

thread moved for Mark and because Yves didn't do it. ;)



Yadda yadda yadda, keep yo' pants on, bunch a' primadonnas!
Some of us have lives, yaknow! :-) I couldn't do it yesterday, so
right now I was frantically searching General Discussions going:
"Oh no, where's that thread?! Did it autodestruct or what?!" It's not
like I haven't got anything else to do all day!

Oh, and I agree with Hrant. What an ugly lowercase "a", and the
lc "g" is bombastic to the point of ridicule. It's willfully overdesigned
and doesn't add anything significant to the Zapf canon. Why they
picked that one is beyond me. It's inadequate and simply doesn't
look good.

Bald Condensed's picture

On a serious note everyone -- it's not like I'm complaining or anything,
but moderating this Board is a lot of work, and I have to do it all by
myself
. Traffic has increased dramatically over the last year, year and
a half, and if I don't keep up with it on a daily basis I need a couple of
hours of solid work to catch up. If you don't believe me, check the list
and count the number of new threads we have per day.

In fact this extracurricular activity has become a money loser for
my freelance work. I'm doing this on a voluntary basis, just like the
moderators on the other boards (thank you Tiff for moving this
baby over here). I have to police the board -- which is quite a bit
of work as a lot of non-regulars and newbies come here --, help with
identifications, and most of all keep the place clean. As my fellow
moderators can attest, the Administration side of things is glacially
slow, and I have to open, check, tag and (x) every - single - thread.
Why do you think you'll almost never "see" me in General Discussions
or the Critiques sections? No time left to contribute, plain and simple.
My lovely wife once asked me to time my activities on this Board
but I simply don't dare to do it, silly as it may sound.

So kidding aside, please be gentle and cut me some slack. Without
false modesty, I think I'm not doing such a bad job.

Now move along -- there's nothing to be seen here. :-)

Miss Tiffany's picture

Can't let it go. Time for a hug. Yves, you know I was just teasing you. You rock, literally, and we love you for everything you do. :-)

Bald Condensed's picture

Tiff and Mark, you are two people I dearly love for who they are and
what they do for Typophile, so please don't misunderstand this as
a stab at you guys personally. I did see the wink. :-)

Bald Condensed's picture

Hey, it'd be a pretty boring place around here if everyone liked
the same font, innit?

Mark, your and Tiff's comments triggered something that I wanted
to be able to vent, but you're most certainly not the cause. :-)

Bald Condensed's picture

quote:

Yves, I've often gotten the feeling that you're overworked moderating
this forum in addition to "real life".



Oops, I hope it's not because I come across as a grumpy old fart! :-)

Dunno about the rotating team -- there are talks due for Typophile's
Big Fifth, so I'll speak with Jared'n'Joseph about that.

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