Confusion about a tatar character

Andreas Stötzner's picture

I stumbled upon this h-like char. in Cyrillic Tatar. It seems to be not quite settled wether it has to be ascending or x-hight.
Any insights?

B.t.w., I repeatedly face image upload hazard here. Admins, – any insights?
I’d really prefer to show the image directly, attaching a little png is clumsy.

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froo's picture

It looks like it should be "h". Check the spelling here.

Michel Boyer's picture

If you google

Шәһәр filetype:pdf

you can see it in actual use with various fonts.

Andreas Stötzner's picture

yes I have already seen it use with various fonts but it is not obvious from that survey wether the glyph ought to be tall (like h) or small.

Michel Boyer's picture

And to your list of small versions, you can add Monaco, Consolas and Calibri. Ok, that't a bit puzzling, I agree.

Birdseeding's picture

The fonts ParaType developed for the "Public Fonts of the Russian Federation" project both have the ascender, and they should know, right? It being especially made for Russian minority languages and all.

http://www.paratype.com/public/

Michel Boyer's picture

I have looked at a few of those pdf documents found by google, some being official documents, some being newspapers, and all use a font with the tall version for the lowercase.

hrant's picture

Partly to differentiate it from the Latin "h",
what about giving it an ascender but making
the body short anyway? :-)

hhp

John Hudson's picture

I'm familiar with this letter having an ascender, and only the Apple fonts seem to have the short form. I couldn't find the original Unicode proposal document for this character -- possibly it was included in one of the large early batches of pre-encoded characters --, but did find the proposal document for the related shha with spike descender, and the samples used to illustrate the proposal all have an ascender.

Andreas Stötzner's picture

I also regarded the ascender form canonical, until I saw text on the Tatar Wikipedia site:

damn –

N O W I’M G E T T I N G REALLY A N G R Y A B O U T T H I S S I T E’ S I M A G E U P L O A D B E H A V I O U R

(look here: http://tt.wikipedia.org/wiki/ – is it Arial?)

Michel Boyer's picture

Here is what I see in Safari


I then copy and paste in TextEdit, and look at what the font is to get

[Added] The page is http://tt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Шәһәр.

Michel Boyer's picture

You can see them all in the character viewer (at least on 10.5 and 10.6)

Andreas Stötzner's picture

Thank you Michel, I was about to show something similar from Firefox.

Typographically, I still tend to prefer the ascending form. The sound is actually the same like that of ‹h› (in German, in English).
But there must be a reason for the confusion that half the faces have it small and the other half having it tall. – ?

Michel Boyer's picture

Here is a relevant message written in 2003 by Peter Kirk: http://unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2003-m12/0405.html
I have no idea why all those shapes, there is even one that looks like Hrant's suggestion.

Té Rowan's picture

I ran a quick check on what's installed here, and it seemed to be mostly Microsoft and Ascender faces that have the flat 'h'.

froo's picture

Andreas, I would propose repeating the "h" shape for this glyph, and adding the other variant as an alternate.

Michel Boyer's picture

The low glyph is available as an alternate in Charis SIL and is called uni04BB.UCStyle.

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