A brother sans for Andron?

Andreas Stötzner's picture

I have been asked occasionally whether there would be a sans matching Andron.
This is not a priority matter on my schedule but I did a first try. I wonder if it may bear some 'softened' details like this:
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thoughts?

karlmedlicott's picture

Andreas,
I have watched, with great wonder, for some time, as you have created
Andron
LINEA
Lapidaria
Lapidaria Medior II (with Rolf Böhm)
Hibernica
Symbojet
& "a modernist uncial";
& now there's this in the offing!
Andron is quite the most beautiful, & quite the most literate font that there is.
My thanks!
K.

Bendy's picture

I hope this doesn't sound harsh, but to me at first it seems the sans cut hasn't quite found its voice yet, taking its proportions and ductus from the serif face. (Though from a small sample it's hard to see how it would work in paragraphs.) That said, I do like the stress and styling; the /c/ in particular is really interesting.

Andreas Stötzner's picture

@ Karl, you give a counting of my modest creations of the past few years … What you state about Andron humiliates me a little bit, since there are many excellent faces out there. However, I appreciate you like it!

But now to the Sans try-out.
@ Bendy: no harshness at all, what shall a very first take be for? Maybe you’re right.
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It ought to harmonize well, this is supposed to be the goal. But, could it be that it harmonizes too much? Yeah this has been worked upon by many others already, I know …

Nick Shinn's picture

Softened sans faces are not a good proposition for a foundry to produce, mainly because typographers assess them at display size, and get the impression that they are quaint, which severely restricts their usage.

The sans and serif members of a super-family should be able to stand on their own, because the majority of their sales will not be in the complete package containing both.

Bendy's picture

Andreas, well when combining a sans and a serif, my personal taste is to have quite a big contrast in tone, shape or feel. I'd want to use the two for different purposes, so they need to be immediately distinct. Other people of course use things differently.

karlmedlicott's picture

As you've said yourself,
"Classicism is not a style, it's a sensibility."

Your new Andron-Sans seems to have all of the sensibility, & sensuality, of Andron-Serif.
Yet, beside the deep beautify of its classical Venetian ductus, the great glory of Andron is its wide literacy.

Shall an Andron-Sans also have Latin, Greek (polytonic!, with archaic letters & acrophonic numerals), & Cyrillic, & Anglo-Saxon, Old Italic (Etruscan, Oscan, ...), Runic, Ogham, Coptic, & ... , ... , with all the MUFI characters; in roman & italic?

Today the dichotomy is
"serif / sans-serif";
yet once the trichotomy was
"roman / italic / gothic".

... perhaps then, also an Andron-Fraktur?!

And then there's the question of "tricameral".

K.

I'm sorry that I've not at all answered your initial question.

Andreas Stötzner's picture

“Classicism is not a style, it’s a sensibility.”

This quotation – from where do you know it?! – is not from me but from British-Greek architect Dimitri Porphyrios (http://www.porphyrios.co.uk/)

Your new Andron-Sans seems to have all of the sensibility, & sensuality, of Andron-Serif.

Well, this was the initial idea to try out if this is possibly to be achieved. Yes, the first sample (it’s no more than that) looks quite nice.
But, as others have commented here, wether this fashion is advisable to go for an actual companion typeface is another question. Maybe the answer is ‘no’.

Shall an Andron-Sans also have Latin, Greek (polytonic!, with archaic letters & acrophonic numerals), & Cyrillic, & Anglo-Saxon, Old Italic …

It could have all this, of course. It’s a matter of resources, at the end.

… yet once the trichotomy was
"roman / italic / gothic" ... perhaps then, also an Andron-Fraktur?!

Why not? I recall that I did even try this option some years ago. The initial result was not overly promising. But who knows, “stranger things happen at sea”!

And then there's the question of "tricameral"

– always! . ;-)

Andron uncial sets I developed years ago. They only did not yet see the light of a release. Latin, Greek, Irish and Coptic middlecase char. sets are in stock.

And yes, one could also do “Andron Sans Coptic Medior” or Andron Latin Medior Italic. By the way, uncial small capitals would be also a variety I’d like to explore. (wait – did I already??)

Yesterday I shortly thought about a possible didone Fraktur-Uncial.
But this has nothing to do with Andron.

Té Rowan's picture

@Andreas> ... didone Fraktur-Uncial ...

@_@ -> X_X

Andreas Stötzner's picture

Té, I’m not quite sure if I manage to interpret your notation properly …
… any hint?

Té Rowan's picture

'@_@' is 'swirly eyes'. 'X_X' is 'out cold' or 'dead'. If I remember correctly, this smiley style is called a googly.

Andreas Stötzner's picture

– so, you approve of the idea – or not?

Té Rowan's picture

Well, when I regain consciousness, I'll retry imagining what it might look like.

karlmedlicott's picture

... so, when shall we see more of this; or sha'n't we?

I very much hope so!

K.

Oh, I read the quotation whilst looking at this...


... which itself looks like a character from an Andron-sans typeface (with a touch of Linea).

K.

karlmedlicott's picture

Which is to say (I stumbled in saying so),

I very much hope that we shall!

K.

Andreas Stötzner's picture

Karl, how on earth did you pick up the eagle?

… looks like a character from an Andron-sans …

– are you sure?!

karlmedlicott's picture

Wow!

Didone indeed!

K.

Té Rowan's picture

At least I didn't get floored this time.

karlmedlicott's picture

Please! May we have more of the brother sans for Andron?
Yes, it may bear some 'softened' details.
I'm especially looking forward to the long-tailed "Q", the "g", & all the ligatures of "long s"; & "wynn", & "yogh", & ... .

[I was somewhat joking about the eagle; though not about LINEA. The tops of the wings are cut off in quite the same square-to-the-bisect manner.]

Merry Xtmas!

K.

Andreas Stötzner's picture

especially looking forward to the long-tailed "Q", the "g", & all the ligatures of "long s"; & "wynn", & "yogh", & ...

Karl, it’s very nice that you want to see more of it. It would be a worthwile exploration, surely. I’d love it myself to see some Old Norse manuscript text reproduced faithfully down to the character in such a typeface. But are you aware what an awful amount of work this is.
As I noted initially, this project is not really scheduled so far because my capacity simply doesn’t allow.
But who knows, this may change some day.
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