Archive through January 23, 2003

Joe Pemberton's picture

Yves, no problem. I'm not blaming anybody here. We've just
seen that with sensitive topics it's best to require some
level of accountability for what people say. Even if that
accountability is limited to a pseudonym.

And, wait, aren't you Troubleman? =)

Bald Condensed's picture

Hey, I noticed I got upgraded to "Typophile Regular". Soundz kewl. Is that because I crossed the 100-posts mark?

:D

Bald Condensed's picture

Well, I'll only be "Regular" for a little while. At last payPall didn't go all haywire on me and accepted my payment for my Uppercase Membership.

...

Hey, all of a sudden I feel reinvigorated, I feel a reborn man! You know what, all of you who haven't already, you should try it too! It is guaranteed to improve...

Oh...

Hold on, there's half a dozen beautiful girls at my doorbell. Have to sign off, toodeloo! (What a freak coincidence. Or is it?...)

rattoc's picture

Damn! I have just signed this discussion list and I can't stand this = AtypI bull anymore. Although I am Brazilian - what, somehow, might as well be a synonym for "broken underpaid poor mofo" to some people- and, yes! I=B4m walking on = dire straits - I must say GET OVER IT, PEOPLE! If you can't reach AtypI, = build an association yourselves and work hard and try as much as you can to show = some good things and maybe, if you want that so ••••••• much, you might be invited to some conferece of theirs. ••••! This is typical. It's this hurt ego thing. "I was born in a •••••• poor country, so, boo-hoo me, I have to make everybody feel sorry for me". = Well, I don't trade my Minas Gerais for anything in this world.

It seems to me you point fingers at the people who took initiative and = blame them for being succesful, because you won't do it yourselves. Not = willing enough. Not quite ready for the real deal of sweat. "The ATypI is ready = so give me access. I don't want to do a thing." I'm damn sure that all it = takes to make difference is hard work. We don't go out and reach the world by weeping.

Ramiro's letter is sure a valid thing but if it can't change a thing, = move on. There are other ways.

So quit ••••••• weeping!

matha_standun's picture

They really feckin' hurt your eyes, those little red dots.

>It seems to me you point fingers at the people who took initiative and = blame them for
> being succesful, because you won't do it yourselves.

And if they pointed their fingers at the people who messed up their economy in the first place...

•••••••
Matha
•••••••

rattoc's picture

Yeah! Let's do it! And we should also blame on every muslim for the Terrorism in the World! Fair! Let's do it! Also every German who was born in the country that embraced Hitler's ideals once upon a time! We can do this game and find guilty people all over the place. We start it and we all become George W. Bush. Or Hitler.

You know what? Blame on me. I spend money on cigarretes of a multinational company. And jeans. And shirts! O, My God! It's all my fault!

You consume only country goods, don't you?

matha_standun's picture

Oh dear. I've only got myself to blame.

M

rattoc's picture

I couldn't agree more. Each one of us can only blame himself.

We should try something local. Then we think about getting bigger.

Why don't we try to start something over here?

By the way, where are you from?

matha_standun's picture

> By the way, where are you from?

Well, I'm from Ireland but I'm living in France.
You're in Brazil, aren't you?

M

matha_standun's picture

> By the way, where are you from?

Well, I'm from Ireland but I'm living in France.
You're in Brazil, aren't you?

M

rattoc's picture

>Well, I'm from Ireland but I'm living in France.
>You're in Brazil, aren't you?

Yep. I guess "over here" does not apply to you.
My bad.

John Hudson's picture

It's the exotic sounding Gaelic that confused you. It confused me too, and I'd been following this thread for two days before I realised that 'Matha Stand

matha_standun's picture

Sorry John.
I was wondering why you didn't say hello.

Matha/Mathew

matha_standun's picture

>The list is growing:

>http://www.geocities.com/sinserif/open_atypi.htm


If you can get the English translation up it'll grow a lot quicker.

Matha

jfp's picture

Great that the list grow. I just afraid that sending a email is really more easy than to registred to an organization and spend couple of British pounds.

Anyway, with Matha, we currently work on a free blogin French who will cover all the type related events in France. We hope do a public announcement in couple of days, when the others guys/friends have posted their first news too.

Ramiro Espinoza's picture

>>"I just afraid that sending a email is really more
>>easy than to registred to an organization..."

...Specially when the door of such organization is closed.

matha_standun's picture

>...Specially when the door of such organization is closed.

If it's closed, Ramiro, I don't think it's locked. A gentle push (from inside or outside) might do wonders...

And, let's face it Jean Fran

John Hudson's picture

Matha wroites: And, let's face it Jean Fran

John Hudson's picture

Keith writes: What benefits did I get as a member? Since I joined ATypI I

hrant's picture

Matha, that would never work, at least not enough.
It would be nice to have such a mechanism in place, but we couldn't rely on it.

Keith, the benefits of ATypI are in large part "intangible". For some people it's an obligation of sorts, and for a lot of people it's not a "sound investment": you become a member if you love type. And John is right, you should be thinking how you could help.

One very tangible benefit of ATypI membership is being able to ask question on the discussion list: you'll possibly get an expert reply, and usually get some usable insight.

hhp

matha_standun's picture

John said:

> I'd be game.

I thought you might be

> but I don't think this kind of individual sponsorship can achieve the same goal as an
> adjustment of membership fees relative to something like GDP, which opens the door
> much wider.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for adjusting the fees. Some people would complain but I think it's basically fair. In the meantime, sponsorship would be a significant step in the right direction.

Matha

keith_tam's picture

Yes, Hrant and John, I agree... I joined ATypI because I love type, and no one would choose to study type design because he/she wants to make tons of money. So, yes, I think the most important thing is the community that you get when you join an association like ATypI...

BUT, with the internet, it might be just as easy to get support from other typographer/type designers... A good example is this board. I would still like to see tangible support and benefits, beause it is not cheap to join. I'm really not the kind who thinks about economic returns... it's just that I don't have a ton of money to spend.

I'm more than happy to help... I would in fact like to get some local involvement for the next ATypI, and to involve myself.

K.

matha_standun's picture

Hrant said

> It would be nice to have such a mechanism in place, but we couldn't rely on it.

No, we certainly coudn't rely on it. But there is a new trend in collecting money for charitable purposes : the direct debit. You contribute a smallish sum of money every month without even noticing. It helps the organisation in question to plan ahead because they know in advance what's coming in.

> the benefits of ATypI are in large part "intangible".

I agree with this, but I think part of the problem is that new members come to ATypI with preconceived ideas of what these benefits are and can be very easily disappointed. I know that the fiasco with the book in Rome disappointed me but I've gotten over it and I'll live to fight another day.

Matha

tamye's picture

The small monthly debit is a cool idea....

What fiasco with the book?

matha_standun's picture

> What fiasco with the book?

The erratic distribution of 'Language Culture Type'.

There was supposed to be a copy for each delegate but on the day not everyone got one.

Matha

hrant's picture

Matha, the book situation was complex. Hey, I'm sure you remember the mental flowchart we were building while we were there! Your flight back was just too early, that's all... :-) BTW, I know somebody who made off with an entire case of the stuff, even though he had already gotten one (at least) for free. That's where I get pissed.

hhp

Jared Benson's picture

You nailed it, Yves. Congratulations :-)

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