Brag Stencil

daverowland's picture

Just an idea at the moment. Worth pursuing? Be a nice problem solving exercise if nothing else.

Miss Tiffany's picture

It could be a fun exercise at least.

1996type's picture

Yup. Keep going :-)

daverowland's picture

the story so far:

eliason's picture

Should the tittles be more circular to rhyme with the free-floating ball terminals?
I wonder of the breaks in /s/ should be further away from the serifs.
r looks heavy and wide (some weight balancing needed throughout, actually)
Does /c/'s ball hang a little low?
/f/ and /j/ seem like they hint more obviously at the connection to the ball terminals than, say, /y/g/r/.
/p/m/n/ look weak at the midline.

letters working best to my eyes: /y/a/z/k/o/

daverowland's picture

Thanks, Craig.
I thought it could be a quick one I could just pop into every now and then between work on (provisionally titled) Freshscript. Given that it's mostly drawn already and spacing and kerning are already in place, it should just be a matter of chopping bits out. WRONG! Optical adjustments are needed all over the place, though strangely not where I'd expect. The holes in the o, c and e I thought would mean I'd need to extend them to correct the overshoot, but by my eyes they look ok. Almost as if my brain is filling in the holes in the stencil. Or am I wrong?
Agreed on tittles, r and c, but what do you mean by the midline in p m and n?
s I was already planning on changing. Putting the breaks in there made it look italic, or at least rotated slightly. I'd shifted the bottom bowl a bit to the right to compensate but they still look bad, so I'll have to move the cutouts more optically centre.

eliason's picture

what do you mean by the midline in p m and n?

I just mean the top of the letter, along the top of the x-height, looks light to me. They look a little "balding."

I'll have to move the cutouts more optically centre

Or even further.I would look more towards making an interesting shape with the spine of /s/, like you have with the stem of /a/ or diagonal of /z/.

daverowland's picture


thickened tops of m,n,p, raised c ball and tightened r. Made tittles more circular and tried a few different shape options on s and an alternate form of y.

Luma Vine's picture

Love the /s/ with the circles, but I would let the spine approach them more, somewhat like the /c/.

eliason's picture

All the verticals read as heavier than the curved thicks to my eye.

daverowland's picture

Hi, back on with this font now! I don't see the curved thicks thinner than the straights. It's definitely not uniform in colour and I'm working on that to an extent, but given the displey nature of the font I'm not going to spend hours squinting at it, especially since I think a certain amount of variation of colour adds character. Wouldn't you agree?

eliason's picture

Well, I'd think you wouldn't want a font where certain letters stick out distractingly as too light or too heavy. To me, /j/ and /i/, for example, look too heavy on that last image. But print it out on a good printer, and it should only take minutes of squinting rather than hours, I'd think.

daverowland's picture

Yes they do, but their stems are the same thickness as other verticals. I think the problem was more down to the lack of space between the stem and tittle, which I've since remedied. Strangely, I don't see it as a problem in the original Brag but opening up a lot more white space with the stencil 'cuts' seems to emphasise the closeness.

eliason's picture

I think it's just that the stencil 'cuts' actually take away black surface area, so the uncut /i/ and /j/ are left heavier.

Yes they do, but their stems are the same thickness as other verticals

Mathematically the same, optically not. And it's optically that counts!

Stinger's picture

Oh, liking this Dave!

I agree with eliason that the /i/ and /j/ are optically a bit too thick.

While I love the /s/ and /c/ with the circles, it's the top of those three scrips's that I think will work best for actual use. that first /s/ could use a bit of extra whitespace in its stencil cut though? Same for the /y/'s - I would go with the leftmost one.

On second though that /s/ is tricky though isn't it? Not using dots makes it stand out, but using dots there can't be done in the same way. Maybe what Luma Vine suggested might work?

In any case, I find the test text very readable so far!

daverowland's picture

It's 'finished' now and about to go live. I've tidied it up a bit since the samples above, and have taken a bit of weight out of the verticals and made the tittles on i and j smaller to give the glyphs a bit more white space. I think it works well now. The s with circles is different to the above (stem goes closer to balls) and, as with the alternate y, they are stylistic alternates, not defaults. Anyway, it will be up within the next few hours so fingers crossed everything has come together and it's useful to people.
Cheers for all the critique, now on to the next one....

Stinger's picture

Awesome, good luck with it! Give us a shout when it's live!

Frode Bo Helland's picture

Did you just design a typeface in one month? That's amazingly quick.

daverowland's picture

Not really, the base was already there - just had to cut bits out and tweak it optically. It's out now on MyFonts

Stinger's picture

Saw it on the staging site, looks great, nice posters too! Good luck man!

Syndicate content Syndicate content