Sackers Gothic vs. Sweet Sans

andrew328's picture

Can anyone tell me the original typeface that is now called Sackers Gothic. Also is Sweet Sans a derivative of Sackers Gothic? They look very similar.

http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/agfa/sackers-gothic/

http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/sweet/sans/

I believe Sackers was made in '94 & Sweet Sans after that, but I'm not sure. These look like early 20th century Engraver's fonts, but I'd like to know the type design origin, or what at least inspired it.

BL

marcox's picture

Did you read the description of Sweet Sans? It does a pretty thorough job of answering your questions.

andrew328's picture

I did, but it didn't answer the questions about Sackers Gothic.

andrew328's picture

My guess is then that the designer of Sweet Sans had permission to make a derivative of Sackers Gothic based upon the description, I was just curious as to the source of the original specimen.

Which foundry? what designer?

BL

riccard0's picture

Have you seen Engravers Gothic?
http://new.myfonts.com/search/name%3A(engravers+gothic)/

Stephen Coles's picture

My guess is then that the designer of Sweet Sans had permission to make a derivative of Sackers Gothic

Why is that? Do you know the origin of Sackers Gothic? I can't seem to find any info on it. In any case, even if Monotype's font was the first engraver-style sans to be digitized doesn't mean it has any special permission from an original designer. In fact, it would be very difficult to find an official source for any typeface in this genre. It was a common, standard style used by many engravers. Something like a sign painter's style or architectural lettering.

Like Marc said, I think the Sweet Sans design description is pretty clear about sources (though I'm biased because I wrote it), but the font maker, Mark van Bronkhorst, should get you any more information if you require it.

David Sudweeks's picture

I don't have very clear information on this; but, to the best of my knowledge, Gary? Sackers was a stationer who approached a photolettering studio in the fifties or sixties to create a phototype version of the popular 'block' style from engraver masterplates. Allan Haley might know about the transition from Compugraphic to Agfa to Monotype, but my understanding is that a digital version was drawn from the phototype. The Sweets comprise a collection of many different engraving styles as interpreted directly from the plates, including Sweet Sans. So they look quite similar because to some extent they share original sources.

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