Claude Garamont versus Jean Jannon

Pomeranz's picture

I created a list of fonts that can be assigned to Garamont and those going back on Jannon. Here is a pdf file, and here is a brief list:

Claude Garamont:

1530 Garamond
Adobe Garamond Pro
Garamond Premier Pro
Berthold Garamond Pro
Tyma Garamond
Stempel Garamond LT Std
Granjon LT Std
Sabon LT Std
Sabon MT Pro
Sabon Next LT Pro

Jean Jannon:

Amsterdamer Garamond P OT
Garamond 3 LT Pro
Garamond MT Pro
Garamond Classico
Garamond Simoncini EF OP
LTC Garamont Text OT
Jannon T Modern Pro

Typefaces I could not classify:

Garamond 96 DT Pro
Garamond FB Text
Garamond No. 4
Garamond No. 5 EF OP
Garamond TB
HS Garamond Pro
Original Garamond BT

Can you confirm my previous assignments? And can you assign the last listed fonts? Witch is based on Garamont and witch is based on Jannon?

kentlew's picture

Font Bureau’s FB Garamond is a digitization & expansion of the Garamond that Robert Hunter Middleton designed for Ludlow in 1929. Middleton based his design on the 1592 Egenolff-Berner specimen.

So, I would classify FB Garamond under Garamont.

Joshua Langman's picture

Aren't many Garamond italics based on the work of Robert Granjon?

Trevor Baum's picture

I was going to say: you should definitely include Robert Granjon on here - a true master. I believe ITC Galliard and countless others were based on his cuts.

kentlew's picture

Trevor — I think adding romans based on Granjon (handsome and deserving as they are) would be expanding the brief beyond what Thomas is attempting to do here, which is to divvy up the various romans typically called “Garamond”s into those truly derived from Garamont’s types and those derived from the Caractère de l’Université, which was originally mistakenly attributed to Garamont, but was in fact designed by Jannon.

Thomas — Both Garamond No. 4 and Garamond No. 5 seem to be digitized from the same source: Typoart Garamond, which looks to be derived from the Jannon lineage, not the Garamont.

Garamond 96 DT looks to be from the Garamont lineage. Whereas Garamond DT appears to be from the Jannon side of things.

Original Garamond BT is based closely on Stempel Garamond and thus can claim to descend from Garamont.

If you’d provided links to all your unclassified fonts, it would be easier to help you out.

Trevor Baum's picture

Kentlew, that's true, but I thought the purpose of this list was to help classify the myriad garaldes by their proper designer/influence. If so, Granjon was the inspiration behind many seminal typefaces in this style. Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding this thread. ;)

kentlew's picture

Trevor — I guess maybe the OP will have to clarify his intention. If the objective is really to sort all Garaldes, well, that is a much larger task.

With regard to italic styles, yes, many Garalde italics are based on Granjon’s model(s). In terms of romans, however, I’m not so certain that there are really all that many.

For one thing, Granjon didn’t cut as many romans as he did other types. In the Plantin Folio Specimen c. 1585, for instance, I count that of the faces attributed to Granjon, 11 are italics, 9 are other (greek, bâtarde, civilité, syriac, etc.), and only 5 are roman.

That was a quick count, so I could be off by one or two. And that one specimen is certainly not a thorough inventory of Granjon’s work, but I would expect it to be more or less representative.

Maybe I’m just not thinking of all the ones you are. We could hijack the thread and count them up here anyway. ;-)

I get ITC Galliard, Meno, Lyon, and MVB Verdigris. What’ve you got?

P.S. You can just call me Kent.

Pomeranz's picture

My aim was just to distinguish between the two sorts of Garamond-Typefaces. But now that this is done, you can of course hijack this thread. So go on!

Mark Simonson's picture

Don't forget ATF Garamond under Jannon. I'm not sure if a digital version exists.

fredo's picture

Possibly Hoefler text under Jannon. Or is it just jannonesque?

Pomeranz's picture

Here is a pdf-specimen of the basis glyphs (A to Z, a to z and 0 to 9) of the different Garamont and Jannon typefaces.

bojev's picture

From an old post by Kent Lew: ATF Garamond in digital form travels under the name of Garamond 3, available in the Adobe library. This digital cutting is based on the 1936 adaptation of the design for the Linotype machine and varies in its widths and the details of some forms from the foundry original.

kentlew's picture

> From an old post by Kent Lew:

I should probably have clarified, in that earlier statement, that the digital Garamond 3 is more or less equivalent to ATF Garamond in text sizes. The ATF in display sizes becomes a different beast altogether.

Pomeranz's picture

Garamond TB = Typoart Garamond (Elsner + Flake)

Thomas Phinney's picture

Two more for the list:

American Garamond is/was Bitstream's version of Garamond 3, and is pretty widespread under that name.
URW Garamond is another fairly common Garamond

T

PabloImpallari's picture

Where would you put ITC Garamond?
Just kidding :)

Now for real,
Adding EB Garamond to the list
http://www.google.com/webfonts/family?family=EB+Garamond&subset=latin#de...

Celeste's picture

According to Jean-François Porchez, Sabon Next owes more to Guillaume II Le Bé (by way of Tschichold, of course) than to Garamond himself.

fredo's picture

You could say Guillaume II Le Bé owes a little something to Garamont as well.

Thomas Phinney's picture

Bob, can you tell us why you posted the copyright info screen shot from American Garamond? I already said it was made by Bitstream, just trying to figure out your point....

Cheers,

T

dezcom's picture

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bojev's picture

Hi Thomas, Just to validate that Bitstream did put out American Garamond as you pointed out but with a is/was proviso.

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