Looking for designer / logo concepts

Canada Glulam's picture

Looking for assistance in developing a logo / type for a new manufacturing company. Message is to be green and imply strength.

Company name: Canada Glulam

The best idea will be retained to continue development.

Any and all help is appreciated!

Sharon Ellis's picture

Ye Gods, this isn't Crowdspring surely? I am new to forum, Have read posts regarding 'logo for eCommerce platform' with interest, wondering whether this the first time this sort of misuse of generosity and transgression of sensitive unwritten code has occurred? To 'Canada Glulam': make a thoughtful choice and hire a designer, let them create a brief with you, pay them and treat them as professionals. Design is not blind, arbitrary twiddling type and so forth, no one knows a thing about your company and how to intelligently project that to say the VERY least. To me this is insulting. I am sure you do not mean to be though, and especially because of that, God help us.

sevag's picture

Dear Wayne,

Most of the people here are professionals and will find your post insulting, as we see from the previous poster. In my opinion, based on what you have written; you need to approach a local Educational Institution which offers design studies and put forward your brief to their students. In this way you will receive your free logo and the students more or less will be happy to work for you, because they are getting a chance to show off their skills to an outsider, plus they will have a work to put in their portfolios.

Good luck,
SB

P.s. sometimes education and books can come in handy whenever assistance is needed.

Ria Anderson's picture

Sevag, as a design student I can assure you that I am no more ready to jump at unpaid speculative work than a working professional would be. There are plenty of ways students can acquire work for portfolios other than spec work.

Canada Glulam, I suggest you check out the info available at http://www.no-spec.com/

Cheers,
Ria

Alaskan's picture

Orange is correct, and no-spec.com is a great place to learn why.

I also encourage "Canada Glulam" to spend some time considering how they might react to a proposal for a project with ZERO guarantee of ANY compensation. Is that how you run your manufacturing company? You research, design and produce a product, and do so while knowing your client has solicited thousands of other manufacturing companies to do the exact same project? You invest your time, resources, materials, and expertise to complete the project.

Then, "your" client picks only one manufacturing company to pay, and the other thousands of companies get nothing - except stuck with a useless product. They can't even sell it themselves, because it's specifically designed for the client and it'd be legal infringement to sell it. Sound like a good way to make a living?

And worse---what would happen to the manufacturing industry if they all had to survive in this system?

JamesM's picture

You need to hire a professional graphic design consultant. They will design your logo, stationery, building signage, vehicle signage and all the other elements that go into corporate identity.

It's money well spent if you are serious about your business.

Sharon Ellis's picture

To me the most worrying issue isn't about the fee, it's about how the work of a designer is misunderstood and design trivialised. The fact that Canada Glulam could post such a request on this forum without embarrassment shows that we have a vast problem of how what we do is perceived and valued. Most of us would feel we are so well outside the realm of Crowdspring and similar sites we can ignore the phenomenon but they are having an insidious impact and are redefining and solidifying what we do as light weight and low status. As are those crass and laughable sites where 'off the peg' logos can be chosen like Build-A-Bear. We might dismiss all this as beneath our concentration but I was at a branding conference recently where the presentation of one of those sites (and it's £10 price tag) was greeted with extraordinary excitement and rapturous applause by professionals who would be horrified to apply such standards to their own fields. Can't help feel it is our fault if design is held in such slight regard and it makes us very vulnerable now. There has always been hack, ignorant work of course but computer technology is giving it a spurious respectability and power to overwhelm and control and as anyone has the means of production, anyone is a designer and we are diluted into oblivion! The responsibility lies with us to change this and establish the high ground. Everything is in flux. Now or never I rather think.

evanbrog's picture

What amazes me lately is the ability of those who are in now way shape or form, designers, to find themselves WORK as designers.

I find the problem to be that our audience is ignorant (clients).

I recently printed a banner for a guy. He got to the framer and came back to ask us why his logo (which looked so nice on his business card) looked so bad at large sizes. I calmly explained that we were not at fault--some idiot decided to livetrace the most simple of compass designs and not even worry that it couldn't become any bigger without being noticeable.

The funny thing is that the compass can be found in Zapf Dingbats, outlined, and voila! Some guy managed to find a picture on the web, I'm presuming, and livetrace it. Which is sooo much more work than it required.

I offered to give him a perfect logo for payment of 1 hour--but he's got his "logo guy" working on it.

Indeed, God help us help them.

Bloodtype's picture

I think we need to start a union for graphic designers and other creative professionals. An illustrator I worked with a while ago was a member of some kind of union, and even had a lawyer onsite at her studio complex.
I am interested in starting a union, and wonder who would be interested in helping?

Bloodtype's picture

Actors, whom most people think of as being in the most unsteady profession there is, cannot get any speaking role without being a member of Equity.

MattBurns's picture

Bloodtype - not sure how I could help, but it definately sounds interesting. Do you remember the name of the union the illustrator was apart of?

Bloodtype's picture

I'm afraid not, but she did a few days work for the design studio and was armed with an excellent contract. I don't think she was actually in a union, but she benefitted from specialized legal advice.

JamesM's picture

> the work of a designer is misunderstood and design trivialised

I agree, but the misunderstandings typically come from people who've never hired a professional designer before, so it's understandable that they don't understand the profession and have no idea what things cost. When working with them designers need to educate them. Corporate clients, on the other hand, typically have worked with designers before and understand what typical fees are.

Canada Glulam's picture

Apologies to all.

Intent was not for free design work, but to view some ideas and retain those who best struck my fancy.

Again, my sincerest apologies for crossing the line.

Regards

Alaskan's picture

The "ideas" are the most difficult part of the design process, and genuinely good ideas require the most experience to produce. A designer can't generate good ideas without expansive research and insider knowledge of your company, so if you accept anything less you are hurting yourself and your company's ability to thrive.

Quality art alone is not a quality logo.

aluminum's picture

If you only hire people willing to work for free, don't expect much quality out of the process.

Santiago Orozco's picture

HAHAHAHAHAAHA, please stop!!!

Bert Vanderveen's picture

In the Low Countries (aka Holland) we have a pro-org of designers and such, which is amongst the largest of such orgs in the world. They are called BNO and I am (and have been for almost three decades) a member.

Check out their site: http://www.bno.nl/english

And the BNO is quite clear on unpaid and speculative work: it’s a no-go.
So: no can do. : )

JamesM's picture

> Apologies to all

Thanks for that, Canada Glulam.

Folks here are generally glad to give opinions concerning a logo already in development, but requests to develop logo concepts from scratch generally won't get a good reception here.

I hope you really do hire a good graphic designer (or a design consulting firm) to work closely with you to develop your corporate identity system. As I mentioned before, it's money well spent.

Sharon Ellis's picture

Thanks for apology Canada Glulam, no thought that you meant to insult! Really not your fault given how design is increasingly seen out there.

About unions: it seems design failed to take the opportunity to properly professionalise like architecture and now it is certainly too late.

Bloodtype's picture

I don't think it's ever too late.

Bloodtype's picture

You could say the same about universal health care in the US, and Obama's managed, with a lot of opposition, to bring in a start to that. If there is the will, it can be done, but it doesn't seem like there is. Graphic design's reputation: the rent -a-tarts of the industry lives on! (No offense to prostitutes, who work in a much more honest industry).

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