Walleye (added: plea for Cyrillic critique)

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[Updated]

Hello everyone!

I made a new font. I would call it a text font somewhat in the vein of Electra. It has heaps of OpenType features and it supports lots of languages, including Greek and various Cyrillic-alphabet languages (as exotic as Mongolian).

How does it look? I could especially use critique on the Cyrillic and Greek alphabets, but all critique will be useful for me.

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Number3Pencils's picture

...And during that one I'll still be in South Korea. Conventions really just aren't working out for me this year. Really, the first time I might be able to get to one is early 2013 if there's one in the US. TypeCon 2013 seems like it'll be a good target for me.

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I thought that last design I posted was a bit too suave, so I read up a bit more and looked at examples of upsilons through history. I think I've come up with a design that avoids that kink but also doesn't look like it came from a different, smoother font. What do you think?

LexLuengas's picture

Just what I was thinking. What you came up with this second time looks both fitting to the design concept and more organic.

Something I notice is that the roman «upsilon» has a slightly slanted axis. But then, I don't think it's visual impact on a word is that noticeable. Besides, I'm starting to be annoying ;-)

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Hahaha, sometimes improving things can be an annoying process, but every annoyance is necessary. I'll take a look at the Upsilon. I've actually always kind of thought it's one of my weakest characters. You have a knack for finding the letters that I've convinced myself to forget.

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New pdf at the top, Upsi.pdf, with all the revised upsilons and psis in it. That was a surprising amount of work for just two letters.

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Huh... I just noticed that I somehow interpreted "the roman «upsilon»" as "the capital Upsilon". Well, for better or for worse, I've changed the capital Upsilon. I think it looks better now.

hrant's picture

I see your new PDF. Impressive.

I'm curious, what are your plans for selling this?

hhp

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Thanks!

I hear from Veer that they're going to start taking on new fonts again soon, so I'm planning on selling it with them and also with MyFonts. It's definitely going to have to get done within the next month, because after that I'm sending my computer to the other side of the planet and forsaking fixed addresses for probably over a year!

I didn't realize it was visible when I put up new files—though I'm not complaining, since I was actually planning on putting up a message to accompany it. I mainly put up WalleyeBig7 because I'm trying to reach out for Cyrillic critique by email, and wanted the most recent changes to be visible on this thread. Cyrillic is the last piece of the Walleye puzzle—I got some great Greek help by email. I haven't heard back about Cyrillic yet, though I just sent the email yesterday (to Alexei Vanyashin who you mentioned—I finally looked him up).

(The "latest changes" that I mentioned are the addition of obsolete Greek characters, and of yet more Greek OpenType features, and the expanding of the Cyrillic Ф vertically as suggested in Alexei Vanyashin's tutorial on Cyrillic type design.)

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Awesome. Best of luck with sales.

Who helped you on the Greek?

hhp

Number3Pencils's picture

David Perry, designer of Cardo, guru of Greek encoding.

avanyashin's picture

Hey Nathanael,
Here's a detailed review on WalleyeBig7.pdf
Let me know if something is unclear or you have more questions.

Regular

Italic

Number3Pencils's picture

Alexei--
This is awesome. Thanks so much for putting in all this effort. It looks like I have some work to do. I'll post a new sample booklet when I've done it all. I'll probably put up a few images while I'm working, too.

So, for ЦцЩщ, I guess the "banner" descender is just too old-fashioned or distracting? I've been wondering about that since I made those.

How necessary are the serifs on italic гз? I see a lot of other fonts without serifs on those and it seems like it would be hard to make them look good in Walleye.

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Yes, please post a new revision once you have it.

So, for ЦцЩщ, I guess the "banner" descender is just too old-fashioned or distracting? I've been wondering about that since I made those.

The banner-like ЦцЩщ look very lettering-inspired,
they just don't fit in a text typeface.
You might leave them as alternates, if you tweek them in a more conventional way
as in Academy

You will need to revise the stroke modulation and extend the shoulder.

How necessary are the serifs on italic гз? I see a lot of other
fonts without serifs on those and it seems like it would
be hard to make them look good in Walleye.

г doesn't have serifs – you need to extend the terminals
to balance the white space.

Yes, traditionally (in Didone typefaces) /з/ italic has no top serif.
Although, a serif or splayed terminal would fit better in your case,
considering you have a broad-nib design. Try it.

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Okay - that explains everything. I'll get to work - thanks!

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Ahh! I finally finished with these revisions (for only the regular weight so far). I just posted JustCyr.pdf. Hopefully this is all looking better? I'm still not sure about the serif on з, but maybe I could be convinced. The new style of д (also maybe the new л) seems like it doesn't quite match up with the general flavor of Walleye, so maybe I should keep sketching, but what do you think?

P.S. I think spacing is off a bit in some places, but I'll clean all that up when I have final shapes.

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Update: Bold and bold italic now done too. PDF attached (JustCyrBold.pdf). I decided to keep the old л and з this time, because they look better to me. I'd like to hear any opinions on these.

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I think /zhe/ is too dark in the bold italics. I think it's where the diagonals connect to the stem where it gets dark, because they "meet" the stem along half of its height.

Isn't /И/ too wide?

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Right you were about ж. I fixed that, and now I can't imagine why the original one looked alright to me. But И seems fine to me.

I put up another pdf (JustCyrAll.pdf). I think I've got pretty much everything as it should be, so I'm thinking that I'm going to call this version final—aside from a few small things (adding nodes at extrema, making sure everything is merged) and probably one more calt substitute for those цу and щу combinations that now collide. Speak now or forever hold your peace, I suppose. Alexei? And anyone else?

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RELEASED!

At long last, Walleye is available. It has all the features that I talked about in this thread, all visible in WalleyeBig8.pdf at the top. It's available through both MyFonts and Veer:
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/looseleaf-fonts/walleye
http://marketplace.veer.com/font/Walleye-Volume-CTT0000654
Check it out! This is the result of two years of effort, several months of that being rather intense effort, and I'm pretty pleased with the way it came out. I hope you like it too.

(P.S. I guess it's no longer possible to edit the first post of a thread? Why?)

hrant's picture

Congrats!

hhp

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