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Dear All - I'm new here, and looking for some advice.
I'm currently writing up my phd thesis, and have decided to use garamond as the main font, but now I'd like something different as a font for the titles of the chapters, and the headers/footers.
Any pointers to what might be suitable? Something more traditional, something less? I considered Bookman Old Style...
I'm a natural scientist with no 'feel' for style whatsoever, and could use some help...
Thank you!
16 Sep 2010 — 9:55am
Which Garamond?
16 Sep 2010 — 10:17am
Erm, I don't know. (I guess my ignorance is now Q.E.D...)
I write the thesis in Pages'08 (on a mac), and there is only one 'Garamond'... I can post a screenshot, or is there a 'standard' Garamond? It is the pretty one, with the beautiful italicized 'z'... (but then, they all might be...)
16 Sep 2010 — 10:52am
If you're going for this traditional look, you should probably use a slightly heavier version of Garamond (or similar old-style) for the footnotes. Sometimes called an "optical" size.
Garamond Premier Pro is Adobe's latest version of the venerable style, and comes with "optical" sizes, as well as all the characters you would probably require for a thesis (including "true" superior figures for references).
Once you get the page format laid out in such a face, then you can consider a titling font: it may be the Display optical font of Garamond, or something quite different -- maybe even a bold sans, which could also be used for subheadings.
16 Sep 2010 — 12:49pm
@arjen: What is your thesis about?
16 Sep 2010 — 3:37pm
Thanks Nick Shinn, that is helpful - I'll see if I can get these fonts somewhere.
@ Christopher Dean, my thesis is basically about hormone signalling in plants after they perceive a herbivore. Effectively plant biology, with a bit of analytical chemistry and biology mixed in.
If it would be any help, I can try to post a picture of a chapter title page and a normal page of what I have now?
However, the university I graduate has no requirements whatsoever for the thesis (only the content).
I don't really like to mix a lot of fonts in a doc, but everything the same is a bit boring too.
The only thing about style I've ever learned is that mixing sans-serif with serif is a no-no, but don't even know if that is true anymore...
17 Sep 2010 — 12:22am
For the title, a distinguished, elegant, a bit neutral but somewhat vintage sans would be, imho, appropriate; like neutra face or verlag.
17 Sep 2010 — 1:55am
… mixing sans-serif with serif is a no-no, but don't even know if that is true anymore...
Nonono. This has never been true. Using a sans as a complementary font for serif bodytext is common practice. It all comes only down to the question: *which* sans?
You may do a search for “humanistic sans”, e.g. on MyFonts.com. You can make the site display all fonts found with a test word like “Hamburgefonst”. Take some time to look at it. You’ll notice that some sans faces owe certain aspects of their aesthetics to faces like Garamond - and therefor may fit the bill.
17 Sep 2010 — 9:15am
Hi Argen, the typeface Syntax works great with Garamond. It is a sans serif and based on renaissance typefaces like Garamond.
personally I'd use this one: http://www.linotype.com/13061/syntaxbold-font.html
17 Sep 2010 — 10:39am
I agree with RadioB. Syntax is a good choice for you. It pairs very well with Garamond and is humanistic which is appropriate for your context.
17 Sep 2010 — 1:30pm
I always liked Scala Sans with Garamond. Or for an entirely different feel, I've seen some things I liked pairing Univers Condensed with Garamond. However, those were more in the line of brochures, not on the order of a thesis.
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18 Sep 2010 — 2:18am
Actually, I discovered that my institution had the full Adobe package, so I've changed the font to garamond adobe pro (12pt), because it has ligatures.
As headings I now have garamond adobe pro in small caps, in 'caption' style, which looks alright, subheadings are garamond italic, 14pt.
I might go for either something very frivolous for the headings (on the left page there's 'chapter 1' and on the right page there is 'Running Title'), or for a Sans-serif.
I guess I won't use geometrical margins as I don't know how to correct for the printing margin and they take up a hideous amount of space.
Anyway, cheers for all the help - I'll probably have some stupid questions later...
20 Sep 2010 — 6:41pm
For dropped capitals there is Garamond Open
23 Sep 2010 — 2:52pm
Thanks for all the suggestions, this is what I've finally come up with, and I'd love to hear some feedback.
The main text is garamond premiere pro, 12pt. The abstract is the semibold version, the italic heading is garamond italic, and the subtitles are hoefler text - Ornaments (no idea how I came to this, I tried different things and I liked this)
I chose the normal garamond italic because it looks nice, and it is different from the garamond pp italic, which I have to use regularly in the text to for species names, gene names, etc.
The title is garamond pp caption, small caps.
Let me know what you think
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23 Sep 2010 — 8:15pm
To my eyes, there's too much going on. I would stick with GPP for everything. As for your headings: are they varied by size? weight? style? Pick one. Finally, I am not a fan of indenting the first line of a paragraph, but in any event, I would choose a smaller indent.
23 Sep 2010 — 8:43pm
The purpose of small caps and old style figures is to lessen the visual overemphasis of words which must be set in all caps, and of numbers, especially years. As you have set them here, the HAMPS jump right off the page immediately. Could you try setting the acronyms in small caps, and the figures old style? That is the traditional way of working with a Garamond in text.
The colour of the page as a whole is good.
23 Sep 2010 — 11:52pm
@EK: Indeed, I would use line-height also for the indenting-width.
24 Sep 2010 — 2:03am
Cheers for the suggestions, my professor wants indents at the beginning of a paragraph, and it'd be silly to upset him - I can make them a bit smaller though.
Small caps for the all caps abbreviations is a very good idea!
Whle I agree that this looks a bit busy here, is this exceptional - there are only a few instances (two or three) in the whole thesis where the subheadings are followed directly by a paragraph heading - in this instance I even added it myself (the 'introduction' heading isn't in the thesis), because this was the only page with all the styles on one page.
24 Sep 2010 — 9:25am
For indenting a paragraph, convention recommends "one lead" (the same value as your inter-linear spacing) or one em (the same size as your type). I prefer one lead as it is more salient than an em. I do not use Microsoft products so I do not know how this is achieved in Word.
Bringhurst, R. (2004). The Elements of Typographic Style. Point Roberts, WA. Hartley & Marks, p. 40.
24 Sep 2010 — 11:02pm
I prefer one lead as it is more salient than an em. I do not use Microsoft products so I do not know how this is achieved in Word.
If the text is set 12/18 (font size is 12, paragraph "line spacing" set to "exactly" 18pt), then you set "special" "first line" "by" "18 pt" instead of ".5 in".
25 Sep 2010 — 3:18am
I don't use word, but apple's Pages'09
Anyway, it was quite easy - in the text inspector set the line spacing to 'exactly', and then I set it to 18pt. Then, under 'tabs', set the indent to 18pt, after you've changed the rulers to 'points' in the preference panel.
It looks better now, thanks!