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I'm surprised nobody else has noted this here yet, but the typefaces that Jean François Porchez previewed at TypeCon that he produced for AW Conqueror are nor available for download:
Hmm. Is this a joke? I just tried this about 5 times on Firefox and Safari and I consistently get an error message that I can only use the key once and to re-enter my information again for a new key each time I hit the "download" link in each email.
Um, I suck at understanding legalese. Are these free to use in context of Conqueror, or free to use for anyone, commercially or no?
Looks like they are free for most uses, although the EULA is quite... opaque.
I think it's okay to use them for print and for print and preview PDFs, at least that's how I understand this clause:
"This licence is applicable only in those cases where the finished product(s) are in hard copy
or a digital medium endowed with the specific feature of preventing extraction of the
fonts or font elements (“only printing and display” preferences for pdf format) by a third party that
might use the fonts for applications other than those for which they are sold."
Notwithstanding this phrase, which follows it:
"Use of the fonts on servers accessible via the Internet or similar networks, and the redistribution of documents or
commercially-available software incorporating these fonts to third parties is forbidden. Any use by
the End-user on digital products allowing extraction of the fonts or font elements as defined above
by a third party will render the End-user liable de facto."
Anyone else see it differently?
anyone have success in downloading the fonts? I get sent round and round in circles, but no download.
Me too, Mike. Filling in the form told me that an email had been sent to the address I gave... but I haven't received anything. (My assumption was that the email would then contain either a zip file, or a link to a download page.)
Odd – I got an email with a «Download» link, which when clicked immediately triggered a download. Dunno. I'm still unclear on the license, though.
it's a scam to attract visitors. avoid.
I also thought nothing had happended but when I looked in my downloads, I had the fonts. Here is what I found in the Didot font:
Copyright: 2009 copyright (c) by Jean Francois Porchez, Typofonderie. All rights reserved. Distributed exclusively by AWFP under licence with Typofonderie. Any distribution to a third party is prohibited. Names are trademarks in some cases.
English license: (c) 2001-2009, Jean Francois Porchez, Porchez Typofonderie. All rights reserved. Created by Jean Francois Porchez. Beta version: restricted use by Reflex Group for Arjowiggins. Distributed exclusively by Porchez Typofonderie. This font should be destroyed before the 1 July 2010. This font software may not be reproduced, modified, disclosed or transferred without the express written approval of Jean Francois Porchez, Porchez Typofonderie. Whatever the use is, third parties are not authorized to use this font software without a proper licence from Porchez Typofonderie. Current version of the end user licence: http://www.typofonderie.com/alphabets/licence Jean Francois Porchez - type designer - Porchez Typofonderie / http://www.typofonderie.com / email@example.com email / +33 (0)1 46 54 26 92 phone / France
I don't think Creative Review would be promoting a scam:
Five new typefaces from Conqueror
and also on Le Typgraphe:
La famille Aw Conqueror de Jean François Porchez
LICENSING CONTRACT INTENDED FOR END-USERS
Authorization of AW CONQUEROR DIDOT Font, AW CONQUEROR SANS Font, AW CONQUEROR INLINE Font, AW CONQUEROR CARVED Font, AW CONQUEROR SLAB Font
Whereas: This contract governs the use of the abovementioned typeface and the fonts that comprise it, as described on the Web pages of the present Internet site: conqueror.com and/or in the Conqueror catalogue.
A typeface (or a font) is a complete set of glyphs that comply with the standard for Western countries’ typefaces used by Apple Macintosh and Microsoft Windows systems.
Format of the font(s): The font(s) is/are in the OpenType format for the stated platform and consist of metric data that is digitally encoded, with digital descriptions of the outlines of all of the glyphs.
This licensing contract covers a usage licence with non-exclusive rights intended for the use of the typeface (font) and offered to the end-user on the Web pages of the present Internet site: conqueror.com and/or in the Conqueror catalogue, which belong to the Arjowiggins company. This company distributes, for a stipulated period of time and under licence from Typofonderie, the typeface and the fonts comprising it.
This licence is contracted for an indefinite period of time and takes effect on the date on which the present contract is accepted.
# 4 SCOPE OF THE LICENCE.
#4.1 Ownership of the fonts.
Typofonderie shall retain full ownership of the digital descriptions and/or the digital fonts that define the typeface and/or fonts as described on the pages of the conqueror.com website and/or in the Conqueror catalogue. Under no circumstances shall the End-user be entitled to transfer to any other party the typefaces and/or fonts described on the Web pages of the present Internet site: conqueror.com and/or in the Conqueror catalogue. The typefaces and/or fonts and their components are protected by intellectual property rights legislation and copyright laws, and shall remain the property of Typofonderie. The fonts may not be denatured and/or altered in any manner whatsoever. Any creation of derivative fonts based on the fonts in question is formally prohibited. This includes manipulation of this digital font in order to mix it with another, drawing on its composition for inspiration, using the shape of each of its symbols and their positions (in any manner other than simple pair matchings that leave the original intact), modifying its digital format in order to benefit another format, or modifying the hinting included which controls display quality and printing quality. Making up, having made up or giving permission to make up derivatives of the typeface and its components, or making typefaces with resemblance to the typeface package and its components in any form whatsoever is strictly forbidden and renders the counterfeiter legally liable.
The following text applies to all of the components of the typeface: “Copyright © 2009, by Jean François Porchez, Typofonderie. All rights reserved. Distributed exclusively by Arjowiggins under license from Typofonderie. Any distribution to a third party is prohibited. Names are trademarks in some cases.”
#4.2 Work station(s), output unit(s) and place of use.
This licence allows the fonts to be used by an unlimited number of work stations in a single workplace.
#4.3 Finished product media.
This licence is applicable only in those cases where the finished product(s) are in hard copy or a digital medium endowed with the specific feature of preventing extraction of the fonts or font elements (“only printing and display” preferences for pdf format) by a third party that might use the fonts for applications other than those for which they are sold. Use of the fonts on servers accessible via the Internet or similar networks, and the redistribution of documents or commercially-available software incorporating these fonts to third parties is forbidden. Any use by the End-user on digital products allowing extraction of the fonts or font elements as defined above by a third party will render the End-user liable de facto.
#4.5 Intuitu personae nature of this licence and strictly personal use of the pack(s).
The End-user may not use the fonts, as described on the Web pages of the present Internet site: conqueror.com and/or in the Conqueror catalogue, except on work stations (computers) and output units (printers) that belong directly to him in his own name.
#4.6 Prohibition on copying of the typefaces and/or fonts by the End-user.
The End-user is not entitled to copy the fonts, except for his strictly personal use, for flashing to a third party and for protecting their original media (backup copies). The End-user shall ensure that no third party copies the fonts covered by the present, nor makes any other use of them than the one defined and covered by Clause #4 of this contract. The End-user declares and acknowledges that any use he may make of the typefaces and/or fonts which does not comply with the terms stipulated in the present contract shall render him liable de facto.
#4.7 Prohibition on transfer of this licence by the End-user.
The End-user is strictly forbidden to transfer this licence in any manner whatsoever. Sub-licensing is formally prohibited.
#5. INCURRING LEGAL LIABILITY AND BREACH OF CONTRACT.
Any breach by the End-user of any of the provisions stated above in #4 of the present contract shall de facto incur the legal liability of the End-user and entitle Typofonderie to claim damages. In the event of any breach of the clauses of this contract by the End-user, Typofonderie, represented by Jean François Porchez, reserves the right to terminate the present licensing contract without prior notice and without financial compensation or compensation of any other nature. In such a case, the End-user shall return the digital data to Typofonderie, represented by Jean François Porchez. In such a case, the End-user shall undertake to destroy all copies in his possession within seven (7) days of said termination, whereby any further use following termination is prohibited. The End-user undertakes to communicate to any of its employees or other persons potentially having access to the typefaces and/or fonts as described above all of the clauses and conditions set forth in the present contract. The End-user declares and shall ensure that any of its employees and/or other persons potentially having access to the typefaces shall execute the present in proper and due form.
#6. HYPOTHETICAL MISUSE OF THE TYPEFACES AND/OR FONTS.
Neither Typofonderie nor Jean François Porchez shall be held legally liable for any damage or losses caused or borne by the End-user and/or any third party resulting from misuse of the typefaces and/or fonts in question.
#7. APPLICABLE LAW AND ASSIGNMENT OF JURISDICTION.
The present contract is governed by, and shall be interpreted according to, French law. In the absence of an amicable settlement, any dispute that may arise due to the existence, signing, validity, interpretation and/or execution of the present contract shall be submitted to the competent jurisdictions of the Paris courts (75).
Authorization of AW CONQUEROR FZXiDengXian Font
No. of Registration Certificate:2009-QY-XX00X
Conqueror is a brand owned by Arjo Wiggins France.
Reflex Image, as representative of Arjo Wiggins for this campaign, in charge of the promotion program on the internet. in order to complete this program better, Reflex Image want to get the authorization of using Founder XIDENGXIAN font.
After consultations, The Beijing Founder Electronics Co., Ltd. agree to award Reflex Image France the right to use Founder XIDENGXIAN font, the detail as below :
Authorized company name: Reflex Image France
Description of licensed product: Founder XIDENGXIAN font (on Windows and Macintosh platforms)
Customer Contact: Mr.Yann HIRSCH - Account Director
Phone: +33 1 5534 7777
Contact Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Terms of reference: 1. the font could only be used in non-commercial design of promotion activity of Conqueror
2. Reflex Image could provide downloading service on the site, but must announce clearly :
A. Chinese font provider is Beijing Founder Electronics Co., Ltd.
B. the downloader could only use this font in non-commercial design on the promotion activity of Conqueror
C. if need to use this font in commercial design, need to get written authorization from Beijing Founder Electronics Co., Ltd. in advance.
Duration of Authorization: March 1, 2010 to Feb 29, 2012
I like free fonts. But then usually get scared away by long EULAs.
Distributing after July 2010 a font in which it is written This font should be destroyed before the 1 July 2010 does not make much sense to me whatever additional information is provided in read_me files or license agreements.
This line in the EULA strikes me as odd:
>making typefaces with resemblance to the typeface package and its components in any form whatsoever is strictly forbidden and renders the counterfeiter legally liable.
So if any of you were thinking of making a Didot, a slab, an inline or a simple sans, I hope you havn't used any of these yet. That line seems general enough to encompass just about any text face ever created. Maybe a plot to eliminate the competition :)
this should correctly read:
>even though these typefaces offer nothing original whatsoever and resemble many other ideas and contemporary typefaces out there, making typefaces with resemblance to the typeface package and its components in any form whatsoever is strictly forbidden and renders the counterfeiter legally liable. Oui, it's our charming french humor, piss on you all. Our shit is Gold!
Angus, so what happened?
let's say "nothing happened".
The less time and energy put on discussing unoriginal ideas, the more productive and fruitful our lives will be.
I think this is an odd case. On fontsquirrel it say that it "Expires: 4/1/12". Does this mean these faces can be used until then. And for what? Can I use them for commercial or only personal projects. They look nice but I think I will not use them because there are too many legal clauses involved... shame
All very strange. I've checked my downloads now and definitely received nowt. But with all the subsequent comment about weird wording in the EULA, maybe that's not so bad... :^)
It seems to me that this refers to how long Conquorer has the right to distribute the licence. After that date, if you want a licence to the font, you must buy one from Jean François Porchez, Typofonderie.
It's Flash - for G's sake and thus doesn't work. Bad site, nice paper though (in the eighties that is, there are nicer ones now).
I used a contact form (also Flash!) to send these folks a message, but am not holding my breath waiting for an answer…
JFP mentioned AW has a two year license during his talk.
FWIW, I've just received a helpful email from Arjowiggins (amusingly they're probably about a ten-minute walk from where I work...) noting the issues some of us had had and discussed here; re-visiting the download page has now worked for me, so presumably they've tweaked the code behind the form. Good result. Bert, Perhaps it was your message that alerted them. ?