New Serif: Fénix (V.2.03)

ferfolio's picture

Hi everybody
I've been working on a new serif (and a new sans).
I only have theese sings, but they need a lot of work.

Problems I see:
- I dont know how to solve the upper part of the "f".
Do you think it needs more ascender space?
- "g" weard
- "j" cant solve lower part
- "k" boring
- "s" not quiet working yet
- "v" "w" need work
- "y" cant solve lower part
- "z" a nightmare!
- Just started working on kern and track
Will do Walter Tracey's method soon.

Recieving feedback!.
Best regards and thanks!
(También hablo español,
cualquier cosa a las órdenes)

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eliason's picture

You could also lower the crossbar of /f/ (and correspondingly that of /t/, I guess) a bit, rather than raising the ascender.
I think you've observed well the parts that most need work. (Though the /z/ isn't a nightmare - maybe just needs a wider base.) Once you can get a good suitable hook shape, that will largely solve the problems of /f/j/y/ (and /r/ too, and maybe even /s/).
I'd try a /v/ and /w/ that are less flat on the bottom.
Bottom of /t/ looks a little weird to me too.
I find the /x/ very interesting!

Igor Freiberger's picture

Hola Fernando. My considerations:

01: acute inclination was the first thing that did call my attention. It's semi-horizontal and very large. Of course, this is a design choice, but you must take in account three consequences: (a) large acute means large grave, with undesired collision in fì. (b) It demands special kerning to i as the accent is larger than the letter. (c) You need alternate accents to get correct Polish diacritics because kreska, although similar to acute, is almost vertical.

02: c seems a bit narrow to me.

03: g could get two small improvements. Ear may be more thin at the base, where it links to the first bowl. And second bowl could have a subtle angle in its internal curve at left, following in some degree the standard of o.

04: I understand you want to apply the angled cut in all glyphs as this is a distinctive element of Fenix. But sometimes this may need to be softer to avoid a forced appearance. It's the case of j. Right line seems OK, but the left side would have a simple curve or a very subtle angled line.

05: I like your k. Not boring to me. The same about z, quite good.

06: s may work better with terminals reduced a bit.

07: what about an ink trap inside the middle internal angle of w?

08: I'm not the one to talk about y terminal or f ascender as these were problems to my own font...

Your tilde is very nice, but the dieresis needs dots a bit more near. Excellent p, q and x. General design is beautiful, with a lot of character. I think this will develop to a very good result, as you already done with Quiroga.

ferfolio's picture


Thanks for the comments, I'll try them on my new version.
The "v" and "w" looked wierd to me, but I didn't know why! now i know :)
PS: .I preffer not to lower the crossbars becouse they are alligned to the "x" height, but, I'll give it a try! You never know, right?


Thanks for commenting, I agree with your comments, really helped!
Later today I'll be commenting on your work :)
Quiroga was my first font! This is my second (along with libertad, and I'm working on a script called "Helena" too).

Bendy's picture

I'm liking this one, it's lovely. It'll be interesting to see how you resolve j and y. (But probably a good idea to sketch out the uppercase first). Unfortunately I'm not able to look in depth right now but hope to come back to you in a couple of weeks with some crit.

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