Wedge, serif, geometric

Boros's picture

Hello everybody! This is among my first trials with letter shapes. I have in mind a squarish geometric with serifs that would work at text sizes.

I know it would be helpful to have some more glyphs to show, but my concentration is consumed for today and I am curious about whether you think this has some direction or no direction at all.

Thank you for your time!

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Caspian Rehbinder's picture

I like it. Looks good. There’s something about the d that feels a bit strange, but otherwise, I don’t have much to say. Oh, and I prefer the other f.

Boros's picture

Yes, maybe because the upper joining of the curve to the stem of the "d" is reminiscent from the rotation "p". Maybe a more curved join would look better there.

to wormwood: I will try hard not to analyze Kontrapunkt for fear I would limit my ideas.

Thank you for commenting! I will make a complete set of characters really soon.

Boros's picture

Ok, not a complete character set, but the u&lc letters.

oribendor's picture

The /e/ looks uneven to me. I'd try to bend its lower end up.

Boros's picture

I've modified the d and the e and I've completed all the lowercase letters. Revisions must be done. Time for the uppercase now. Any comments are welcomed, thank you!

Boros's picture

Now that I look at it I don't like the t at all.

brianskywalker's picture

I quite like this.

Here are some comments, take them with a grain of salt:
- /t/ is top-heavy.
- The ear on /r/ should be a tad heavier.
- The transition/arch on the letters /m/n/h/u/ should be slightly darker. Also the top-right on /a/ and /p/.
- /x/ is probably too wide at the bottom.
- /k/ seems a bit odd with the upper diagonal thicker than the bottom.

In any case, the joins on your letters are lovely. I especially like your serifs - my attempt at similar ones didn't work too well. Also, as far as the /t/ goes, the lowercase t is the worst letter to design in my opinion. Normally you form it using the left part of the /u/, and figure the crossbar weight from the eye of the /e/.

I am guessing you can find most of the problems yourself. Printing a page in your font at a small size should help you find any major problems, as this will be used in small sizes.

Hope that helps! If you have time, you could take a look at my font. C:

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Boros's picture

Thank you for the detailed feedback, brianskywalker! What you suggested seems so obvious now that you said it. I hope to find time for adjustments and complete the uppercase soon.

Now that I looked at your well-balanced font it struck me my serifs might be a little small for a text face.

brianskywalker's picture

Your serifs may or my not be too small. Print this at several small sizes in full sentences and paragraphs and see what you think.

Boros's picture

In the first post is a pdf sample with the upper and lower cases and numbers and no kerning. Now I remember I didn't look over all of brianskywalker's remarks, but I'll do it right away.

Lowercase c, a and f have no serifs on their terminal strokes and I quite like it. I've put a serif on the uppercase C to make a comparison. Your great feedback is warmly welcomed!

Boros's picture

Oh, and another thing. Do you think the uppercase strokes are too bold comparing to the lowercase's?

brianskywalker's picture

Well, as has been said before, I'm just a beginner so take what I say with a grain of salt.

This is looking pretty good (nice numerals), though on some of the bowls, arches, and round corners, the strokes don't appear to be the same thickness. Some letters, like the uppercase U, look slightly lopsided to me. (Again, thickness of bowls and arches.) Some letters are very round, and some are more square, try to equalize it.

Diagonal uppercase letters AMNWV... Try making the thin and thicks (as subtly different as they are) like so:
- A: /\
- V: \/ (opposite of A)
- M: |\/| (not with the inner strokes thinner)
N: |\|
W: \/\/

Also:
- G should have a serif on it's stem
- bottom stroke of the C should extend slightly past the top stroke
- the horizontals in your uppercase should be slightly thinner than the verticals
- lowercase g is great! Though you could try making the ear sheared off diagonally
- Maybe try connecting the bowl on the R to the stem, and making the angle of the leg slightly less.

Your uppercase might be slightly too bold compared to the lowercase, but I would print a test out on paper to make sure. Also, the spacing is much too tight for text, although it works for titling, if you plan on having it used at all for text, you might want to loosen the spacing a bit. (Graphic designers tend to close up the spacing in large sizes if they feel it's needed.)

Sorry if this is a lot of critiques, and most of my previous critiques may still apply, but I hope it helps (remember the grain of salt!). Anyway, I've been waiting for the uppercase. This font is great! (Hope you release it!)

Boros's picture

My, now this is some constructive criticism! Where do you live? I will send you a pig for Christmas.

The basic spacing is almost done now. I've put more space between letters, as they are quite open. Yes, I'm having difficulties with the curved strokes (which basically are the font). I think I fiddle with them with just my bad eye. I should make some control shapes to help make the curves and diagonals more uniform. You are so right about the diagonals. I've improved them according to your suggestions:

In the first post I've attached another pdf with the current spacing. Still no kerning. Set at 9/11, I think it is not the most unreadable design when printed.

Right now I'm having trouble with the diacritical marks.

Another question comes to my mind: should I make the round curves more square, or the squarish ones more round?

I will take time tomorrow to take an in-depth look at your remarks.

Thank you so much!

brianskywalker's picture

Hey, not a problem!

As far as the rounded edges go, I'd say even it out. Some letters are naturally rounder, I think, and some (with smaller counters) need to be less round to still appear squarish. The lower case is good, for the most part. I would start with the O and the check the other letters against that.

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