So, did Steve Jobs Kill Flash? What does this mean for Type on he web?

designpuck's picture

Is Adobe Flash dead? (And, was it Steve Jobs in Cupertino with the candlestick holder?) Here's the article from Slate: Slate: Did Steve Jobs Just Kill Flash?

What does this mean for typography on the web? (Heck, what would this mean for

How about motion graphics on the web? Or is this a VCR / Betamax situation—answerable simply by asking which does the porn industry support? There's an excerpt (the "they" refers to Adobe):

"They are lazy, Jobs says. They have all this potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it. They don’t do anything with the approaches that Apple is taking, like Carbon. Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash.

No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5."

aluminum's picture

@oldnick that's no different than the Kindle.

Yea, it sucks. Or, rather, DRM sucks.

kari.patila's picture

Furthermore, as Apple's A4 is most likely based on the ARM Cortex A9 CPU core, it's going to have DRM control at a hardware level. Apple should have learned the lesson on DRM by now, so I'm thinking this has a lot more to do with preventing jailbreak attempts on upcoming platforms, like the iPad and the next version of the iPhone.

Having total control, however, isn't the same as exercising it.

hrant's picture

Think different? Think don't.

BTW, to see who really cares about typography, go about 1:15 into
the video here:


kari.patila's picture

So, did Steve Ballmer kill Flash?

riccard0's picture

Wasn't it Bill Bulmer?

dezcom's picture

"So, did Steve Ballmer kill Flash?"

No, that would have been Ming the Mericiless. :-)

kari.patila's picture

I was waiting for a good Flash Gordon joke.

designpuck's picture

Came across this misunderstanding today from the occasionally funny "Clients From Hell":

Low-end Client + Flash iPhone website

designpuck's picture

"Actually, it does (the ipad supports flash). Apple engineers built in Flash capability. Apple marketers published a demo video that unwittingly showed an iPad running a Flash ad on the front door of The New York Times website. But Jobs ordered Flash support removed, and had the video edited to remove the Flash scene."

“Flash would also allow iPhone and iPad users to consume video and other entertainment without going through iTunes. Flash would let users freely obtain the kinds of features they can only get now at the Apple App Store.”

aluminum's picture

"Flash would let users freely obtain the kinds of features they can only get now at the Apple App Store"

If they're referring to video, then that's just false.

kari.patila's picture

"Update: Apple expert John Gruber, cited below, wrote in to say his sources told him the Flash image in an iPad demo, now removed from Apple’s website, was a mockup, and that Apple engineers left Flash support out of the iPad from the start. I’ve removed a paragraph that claimed Flash already works on the iPad."

What happened to people researching their articles before hitting "post"?

As for "consuming other entertainment without going through iTunes", the App Store is how we get paid for our work. Even if the devices supported Flash, I wouldn't be making free software for the users. I'm getting pretty sick of every blog resorting to the App Store excuse without thinking it through.

paul d hunt's picture

What happened to people researching their articles before hitting "post"?

more people need that nifty 'Google before You Tweet' print hanging above their computers.

designpuck's picture

THIS is what killed flash. For me, anyway.

dezcom's picture

That IS scary, Dan!

henrypijames's picture

Holy crap! If Monty Python had made a sketch about Flash, that's how it would've looked like.

Seriously, the comedy value of that site is absolutely on par with the Whicker Island sketch.

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Si_Daniels's picture

I've not read this thread (not really interested in Flash) but noticed this article today where the inventor of Flash says the Apple v Adobe battle is bigger than the font wars.

dberlow's picture

>...the Apple v Adobe battle is bigger than the font wars.

How'd he know before the war even ended?


hrant's picture

Apple's new motto: "Sue Different"


bowerbird's picture

software patents suck goats.


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