Desperate for help with a Win TT font in OSX

figbash_acrobat's picture

<font class="dontLookLikeCrap">I really could use some help -- I'm having problems with a font I bought earlier today, and I've run out of ideas.

The font is Wade Vernacular. It comes as a set of four versions (solid, shadowed, shaded, outline). I bought it as Windows TT, even though what I really needed it for was a project I'm doing on my Mac (the fabled zine), because Win TT is supposed to work under OSX, and I haven't had any problems doing that in the past, and I wanted to be able to use it on my Windows computer (e.g. it has a better printer).

Three of the four versions are working just fine (solid, shadowed, shaded). The fourth, Wade V. Outline, is doing some really bizarre stuff in my Adobe programs. It works fine in everything except InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop. This is what it looks like:
Outline big
This is what is should look like:
Outline textedit
For comparison, the other versions, which look fine:
Solidshaded

Even more bizarre than the first image shows, the distortions change as you change the point size. For example:
Hs

I've tried resinstalling, converting the problem font from Win TT to Mac TT with a Mac program (TTConverter), with a PC program (CrossFont), and rebooting, with no luck. And this version (outline) was most of the reason I bought this font instead of some other slab serif.

Anyone seen anything like this before?</font>

Thomas Phinney's picture

Could be a hinting problem. Could be something else--including a bug in our apps. I've written the developer asking if he'd be willing to give us a copy of the font for testing purposes.

Cheers,

T

figbash_acrobat's picture

<i>Have you contacted MyFonts or the designer?</i>

Wonderful idea... I feel silly that I just did not think of that. I just now emailed myfonts, though they're probably out till Tuesday. If they don't have a solution, I'll email Aboutype.

figbash_acrobat's picture

Thanks Thomas. Although I don't have all that many programs on this computer, so I couldn't really do an exhaustive Adobe/non-Adobe test. I have MS Office but haven't installed it yet -- I'll try to install it tonight and see if the same problem happens in Word.

figbash_acrobat's picture

Wow, so MyFonts just offered to switch me to a Mac PS version. I think I just assumed, really for no reason, that they'd be meanies and say "That's what you get for buying the wrong format."

Thomas, I tried it in Word (v. X) and it's doing the same thing there. So if it's a bug, it probably isn't an Adobe-specific one. And I also just discovered that the distortion doesn't show up in PDFs exported from Indy. Go figure.

Thanks for the suggestion Stephen, sorry if I seemed a little panic-stricken everyone :-)

Thomas Phinney's picture

The designer was kind enough to send me a copy of the font, and I couldn't find anything wrong with it (other than the exclamation mark being in the slot for the space character, but that's another issue). Path winding order looks good. There are a few unnecessary control points, but nothing terrifying.

My best guess is that FontLab's TT auto-hinting is messing things up a bit. I would hardly even blame it; an outline this complex is *really* poorly suited to TT auto-hinting. But who'd want to manually hint something like this, either? If I needed a TT version, I'd be tempted to leave it completely unhinted. But that's just me.

Regards,

T

Si_Daniels's picture

So once the hints were stripped it worked fine?

Si

Thomas Phinney's picture

I haven't tried that, but I will do so just to see if I can prove the theory.

T

hrant's picture

Wow, does that look cool or what.

If you ever fix the problem, do still keep the old buggy version as well - autogrunge for the 21st century, dude.

hhp

Thomas Phinney's picture

Huh. Well, I regenerated the font two different ways from FontLab 4.6.0 (Win). Once with hinting, and once with hinting suppressed. NEITHER version shows the problem. The developer says the TT was originally generated from FontLab in the first place, so color me confused.

Seeing as it's not a problem specific to our rendering, it's easily fixable, and how it got messed up is not obvious, I'm giving up on this one for now.

Cheers,

T

Stephen Coles's picture

Have you contacted MyFonts or the designer?

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