Help with Minion Pro problems

mrriddle's picture

Help!

Using InDesign CS on a G5 running MacOS X.3.4 I'm having problems with the opentype features of Minion Pro. See attached file.

Ordinal problem in Minion Pro

It seems to have something to do with the incorrect substitution of ordinals. Any help would be appreciated.

mrriddle's picture

Also, should I use optical or metric kerning?

hrant's picture

For Minion, Metric spacing.

hhp

mrriddle's picture

Thanks Hrant.

That's what I had suspected. Also saves a lot of space in this document.

Cheers

hrant's picture

Hmmm. Hold everything, then.
Are you using a small point size? If so, are you using the correct optical master? Because if you're setting a small size with an optical master for larger sizes* that would explain InDesign's optical spacing using up a lot more room than the Metric setting, but that would also mean it's preferable.

* Does the setting look cramped and anemic?

hhp

mrriddle's picture

Hrant

I'm using Minion Pro Regular 9/12.
Section Heads

hrant's picture

> Minion Pro Regular 9/12

And InDesign's optical spacing is loosening it up a lot? Strange.

hhp

Thomas Phinney's picture

You're applying ordinals globally, which you shouldn't be. Only format as ordinals the specific bits of text you want to have ordinals. (Same holds true for fractions, btw.)

T

John Nolan's picture

Don't apply discretionary ligatures to ordinals... that's the problem with 1st. I'm not sure if Adobe could have built the fonts features in such a way as to avoid this, but it's easy to work around it.

As to "Notification", I'm not sure how that's happening. Check what Opentype features you have active, and deselect them until it's ok.

mrriddle's picture

Thanks John and Thomas.

Ordinals are definitely the problem.

It's going to take a while finding all the ordinals to apply on a case by case basis with about 160pp. Any ideas on doing this? Is find and replace a good way to find the characters I'll need to change?

Thomas - If I took off discretionary ligatures would it be possible to apply the ordinals globally?

Thanks again everyone.

Thomas Phinney's picture

Nope. You'd still have the problem with "Notification." That's the "numero" kicking in.

By the way, the problem with the discretionary ligatures overriding the ordinals is a font bug, and could have been avoided by better feature construction. I filed the bug against the font, and hope to get it fixed in some future revision. Sorry about that.

Regards,

T

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