Fat Face, Humanist/ Serif influence

superchen's picture

Any help would be appreciated, and feel free to be brutal!

I'm trying to make a poster-sized fat face that has its base in the geometrics that Non-Format and such use, but with a feminine and humanist feel (e.g. Odile). I started out trying to add this curly bifurcated serif, and have been steadily trying to calm it down, but am definitely getting stuck.

Commentary I've already received -- add countershapes .... I'm reluctant to do this, because I feel it loses a bit of the power and contemporary feel. It feels like it starts to go cartoony, Gills Sans UltraBold territory. To do small dots, like Christian Robertson's TypeBattle 28/Defiant doesn't seem to fit here either.

But maybe I'm wrong. Anyways, feel like I'm just nudging around without making a bold move, so any insights would be great, thanks!!!!!!

anhng's picture

I really like how you eliminate and invented new letter anatomy. f seems like it doesn't belong to the group, it look very normal. c look like e, h and k are hard to identify (or is there is no k, just two h ?). is there two n too? a and n look kinna similar, what if you eliminate the extension on top of a ?

I think adding counter space (like the white circle dot of b and a) is just ruining the look. Perhaps, for example letter b, you could draw a thin vertical stroke with curve end from where the intersection of the bowl and the vertical stroke down to the white dot, about half way to the white dot, you might like it, or not ... i really like g, and the word: hills.joins is kinna hard to read, look like joms because only i and m are touch.

superchen's picture

Anhng,

Thanks so much for the thoughtful comments! And I'm going to try your idea for the vertical stroke. Hope to post new material shortly, thanks again!

Stephanie.
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Revisions! I've developed more of the letters (still need v-z) and am not entirely convinced by "c" or "e", but have a much clearer vision overall, and have done some major cleanup.

Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome! :D

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anhng's picture

Since you don't have much of the letter counterspace, that's hard to recognize the silhouette of the whole letter before look at the anatomy of the letter. For example, lot of letter look like 'o' if you take their counterspace away, like a c, e, s, they all 'ball' up in a round shape. Maybe a little more counterspace will help to define and distinguish them from each other, like how you did to letter h and k, m and n.

Seem like not many ppl like to comment on this typeface. Is it gonna release for free? I think it'll be fun for other designer to play around with it.

superchen's picture

Thanks for your thoughts again, ahnhng!

I think you make a good point - I've been struggling with those letters and I like your prescription of chipping away in a more drastic manner - I've definitely been shy about doing it for the "a" and "s" especially because I've fallen in love with the individual characters, but I need to just do a rev where I have no soft spots!

Haha, well, I certainly appreciate your insights, they help keep me going! I would love to release it for free for people to use - I just need to finish it (with caps I hope!) so I don't totally embarrass myself. Will keep you posted!

:D

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