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I know they are both used often, I just can't put a finger on it...
Looks like Caslon 540 to me
initially I thought that as well, but its the J in particular is very different in Caslon.
could be Hoefler Text.
logo.png: Hoefler Text (including the alternate ampersand and brackets )
Picture 3.png: Hoefler Text Italic
that's it! I was way off, never would have guessed.
we've got a type wizard here! Just wish I had an awesome hat to give you or something :)
in all seriousness, thanks much for your help.