For standard "fi" lig seems like a good icon. For historical the "ct" or "st" might be good ones. Any suggestions for a icon for discretionary ligatures?
I'd use ct for discretionary, and ſf for historic.
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Even across Adobe fonts, the classification of ligatures is not consistent. It’s a design decision. ‘ct’ and ‘st’ are a {dlig} in Arno and Garamond Premier – and a {hlig} in Hypatia Sans. ‘ſt' is a {liga} in Arno, GPP, Hypatia – and a {dlig} in Jenson. It often depends on the style and genre of the font in question (I guess you have no problem with ‘Th’ being a standard lig in Caflisch Script, do you?). I can imagine decisions have also been made with regard to feature support in the common applications.
> (I guess you have no problem with ‘Th’ being a standard lig in Caflisch Script, do you?)
Good point, Florian. I don't mind the T_h in Caflisch.
But neither do I feel it is required in order to compensate for a collision or impossible spacing in the way the f ligatures generally are. Plain ol' Th in Caflisch works just fine. So, I'd still argue that it's better placed in the {dlig} feature.
But, back to the main point: T_h is not a good candidate as a representative icon for discretionary ligatures.
-- K.
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29.Jun.2009 2.19pm
I'd use ct for discretionary, and ſf for historic.
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29.Jun.2009 3.09pm
Hi Si,
here’s a little survey I did:
Adobe: ffi for ‘Ligatures’
Dalton Maag: ffi for ‘OpenType Ligatures’
FontFont (in PDFs): fi for ‘Standard Ligatures’, ct for ‘Discretionary Ligatures’
German Type Foundry: fi for ‘Standard Ligatures’, ffj for ‘Discretionary Ligatures’, ſſk for ‘Historical Ligatures
Linotype: ffi for ‘Ligatures’
MyFonts: ff for ‘Ligatures’, st for ‘Extra Ligatures’
Storm: fi fl for ‘Standard Ligatures’, st ct for ‘Discretionary Ligatures’
Related thread: Standardized font feature icons
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29.Jun.2009 5.04pm
Thanks for the leads!
Cheers, Si
1.Jul.2009 9.44am
I like Th for discretionary. Some people really like it as a ligature and some don't.
1.Jul.2009 10.16am
That’s a good point – in principle. The problem is that the difference of a ligated ‘Th’ and a plain ‘Th’ is not very obvious, at icon size.
2.Jul.2009 6.24am
Another complication is that Adobe includes T_h ligature in their standard {liga} feature, not {dlig}.
I personally wish it was discretionary, but that's not the case currently in Adobe Pro fonts. Which, like it or not, tend to set the expectations.
2.Jul.2009 8.08am
Even across Adobe fonts, the classification of ligatures is not consistent. It’s a design decision. ‘ct’ and ‘st’ are a {dlig} in Arno and Garamond Premier – and a {hlig} in Hypatia Sans. ‘ſt' is a {liga} in Arno, GPP, Hypatia – and a {dlig} in Jenson. It often depends on the style and genre of the font in question (I guess you have no problem with ‘Th’ being a standard lig in Caflisch Script, do you?). I can imagine decisions have also been made with regard to feature support in the common applications.
3.Jul.2009 7.41am
> (I guess you have no problem with ‘Th’ being a standard lig in Caflisch Script, do you?)
Good point, Florian. I don't mind the T_h in Caflisch.
But neither do I feel it is required in order to compensate for a collision or impossible spacing in the way the f ligatures generally are. Plain ol' Th in Caflisch works just fine. So, I'd still argue that it's better placed in the {dlig} feature.
But, back to the main point: T_h is not a good candidate as a representative icon for discretionary ligatures.
-- K.