job postings for non paying jobs

Kirs10's picture

This is more of a spin off from a discussion in Critiques but it's become a different animal and probably doesn't belong in Critiques anymore My submission for Goal Logo contest

here's a new twist on the contest scheme although not posted as a contest
http://www.behance.net/Job_List/Logo-designer-needed/1212

In this economy it seems a little cruel to post "Logo-Designer-needed" on a job search web site for a non-paying gig.

blank's picture

Welcome to the twenty-first century. Find a niche that can’t be outsourced to bored people with too much free time. I’m not trying to be a dick, but I’ve learned to accept that logos will never be bread and butter work for me.

Quincunx's picture

If you want a good logo, you will need to pay for it.

If you have a business, you must have some capital. I always say to people who want free design work; if you can pay your nifty iphone bills, surely you can pay for some design work. Did you pay for the rights to publish those books?

concentrate's picture

I couldn't agree with Quincunx more, but the majority of my experience reflects that many business owners can easy live with a free, mediocre logo.

paragraph's picture

Publishing as a whole is under stress (newspapers, magazines, books), and resorts to more and more desperate tactics. Unfortunately, in the near to medium term I can see many design disciplines threatened by this trend, not just logo design. But hey, it might be just me :|

concentrate's picture

...which should bring us to the smorgasbord of websites offering very cheap logo/website/graphic design services that are often from templates, copies of something else and/or outsourced work which hails the idea of unlimited revisions.

I'm not quite sure how business owners can take a site offering a $50 logo seriously.

Quincunx's picture

Well, we shouldn't make it look more bleak than it really is, if you look around you see that there is still enough quality work being made.

But people should understand that you can't get a piece of that quality work for little or no money. That's just not how it works.

Of course, I have done (and still do) work for low(er) fees, but I only do that if I think I'm going to like the project enough. And of course I don't do it for nothing.

Ricardo Cordoba's picture

Kirsten, I checked out the Fast Company article you linked to in the Goal Logo thread... (Your link to that thread is leading to a TypoWiki page you've inadvertently created.) Good article!

Craigslist is also full of ads requesting logos for little or no money... I think that instead of concentrating on those kinds of ads, it's better to promote yourself and go after the kinds of clients that would be willing to pay for a well-made logo... or poster, or brochure, for that matter.

jakes's picture

Have you guys ever heard of salon school where they offer hair cut/perm for less than half the normal price.

That is what those jobs are for...student that about to graduate & need to show real work in their profolios. It's not about the money but rather doing work for real client.

Jackson's picture

That's why I cut my own hair too.

aluminum's picture

"It’s not about the money but rather doing work for real client."

Clients that ask for free work really aren't real clients.

jakes's picture

"Clients that ask for free work really aren’t real clients."

I don't know anyone willing to work for free...even for student. Whether you like it or not they are real clients who are too cheap to pay for professional works. At the end of day they get what they pay for...which is amateurish works. If that is how much they value their companies so be it. Bottom line, the student who did work for them gained real life experience.

paragraph's picture

Now, Darrel, really ... :0)

Kirs10's picture

I'm just surprised at how wide spread this practice is.

Here's a contingency for a contest by the Guggenheim Museum and Google (one would think the Guggenheim would take a stand that's more supportive of artists) "By submitting a Submission, you grant to Organizer and Google Inc., their affiliates, and their respective successors and assigns, a non-exclusive, unlimited, worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free license to publish, reproduce, display, transmit, distribute, adapt, make derivative works of, and otherwise use your Submission, in any media now known or not yet existing, including but not limited to the guggenheim.org website and other Guggenheim- and Google-sponsored web pages for any and all purposes. You hereby acknowledge that you shall not be entitled to any compensation for any use of your Submission by Organizer."

aluminum's picture

"Bottom line, the student who did work for them gained real life experience."

Which is exactly why we are here telling them not to do it. ;O)

Sure, they can learn the hard way, but that's what advice is for...hopefully we can save them a bit of wasted efforts. ;)

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