Celebrities condemn Israeli attacks on Gaza

James Arboghast's picture

-----ABC News story-----

"By Europe correspondent Emma Alberici

Posted 42 minutes ago

A group of high-profile celebrities in London have joined a campaign calling for an end to Israel's bombing of the Gaza Strip.

Singer Annie Lennox led a press conference stating that the television footage of the attacks in Gaza had left her shaken to the core."

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Typedog's picture

A Zionist Christian----->No not at all. The problem's might of been created by the West yes this is true. However they probably did it so there would never ever be a Islamic flag hanging from the White House?

Guerrizmo+Design

AzizMostafa's picture

> However they probably did it so there would never ever be a Islamic flag hanging from the White House?

No need to hang up an Islamic flag, just make the US-flag carry 51 stars not 50, and take away space of one or more states to take in the new immigrants.
Impossibly easy?! Better if the 51 stars are replaced with Flowers.

Typedog's picture

AzizMostafa

You definitely have problems, yeah all those who come from your part of the world with flowers?
Haha whatever man! Before I go here's another picture!

Guerrizmo+Design

AzizMostafa's picture

That's the Islam of Taliban who were created and backed by US+KSA for 3+ reasons:
1. To stand against Iran. Good example: Slaughtering of the 9 Iranian diplomats.
2. To make them rule in the name of Islam to spoil its image and the reputation of the anti-ex-Russia freedom-fighters. Then:
3. To attack the Stupid+Crooked Taliban after 9/11 as Terrorists.
All that to divert Muslims from Islam +force Democracy on them.

Zionism exploitation of the Stupid+Crooked. The Goal justifies the means.

dberlow's picture

"2. The Middle Eastern problems were created by the West."

Those crazy Californians, someone stop them, or were they from Texas?

"2. To make [the Taliban] rule in the name of Islam to spoil its image and the reputation of the anti-ex-Russia freedom-fighters."

Israel made the freedom fighters spoil the image of Islam? Hiding behind the stone walls that fell down on the adulterous, perhaps?

If you live long enough... then all will be written. ;)

Cheers!

jupiterboy's picture

Guys. If we are ALL guilty we won’t be able to figure out who Jesus wants us to kill next.

gohebrew's picture

Yes, I admit it: I'm from California. Yes, I have friends from Texas, too. And I drink HUGE beers for havdallah!

But it's the Californian part of me that's against the Israeli aggression. They should just relocate to Oregon, I say.

Aziz should move to a new homestead in Mexico.

Come on, it's for the sake of middle east peace!

timd's picture

>Israel made the freedom fighters spoil the image of Islam? Hiding behind the stone walls that fell down on the adulterous, perhaps?

…erm I think KSA stands for Kingdom of Saudi Arabia not Israel – the two are easily confused.

Typedog, that image is hardly appropriate – the lack of unbiased reporting from Gaza is because the Israelis are not restricting reporters entry into the conflict zone – leaving two understandably biased sources, reporters embedded with the Israeli army and interviews with representatives of humanitarian organisations.

Tim

AzizMostafa's picture

Israel will never crush the Islamic Resistance of Hamas, because for Muslims it is always a win-win situation. Fight and win your occupied land back or die happily and gain martyrdom. But the Zionists fight so hard for a land that is not even theirs. For them it is a lose-lose situation. Fighting an indestructible enemy and never having freedom in the land they occupied or death after which there is no respite.

P.S. My postings here are addressed neither to the manipulative nor to those
who skip my questions and throw unrelated comments here+there.

http://typophile.com/node/53099?page=3#comment-322052

Down with Zionists. Down with Taliban. Long Live Hamas.

Saad Abulhab's picture

Throughout history, criminals have never admitted their atrocities and crimes against humanity except when it is late. There are those criminals who do the killings and those who cover up for them through silence (like media and press)

I do not like to *discuss* crimes against humanities and atrocities since there is NOTHING to discuss, I only condemn these acts REGARDLESS, and like to remind the criminals that they shall never win, and their place eventually will be in history's garbage. This is exactly how Michael Heart felt. Listen to his song about Gaza along with pictures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHy1T-tao9w

http://www.tropismes.org/post/462

-Saad

William Berkson's picture

Saad, do you also condemn Hamas using women and children as human shields, as they are now doing in the current war?

Do you also condemn the continuation of rocket attacks against Israel even after it left Gaza?

I'm afraid that at the root of this 60 year war is, as I recently read, that the Palestinian nationalist movement most of the time has been much more interested in destroying Israel than in building up its own people. If Hamas were truly interested in the welfare of people in Gaza, they would not have provoked a suicidal war.

Aziz, your view that every violent act against Israel is a win, no matter the human suffering on both sides, reminds me of the Zealots in the Jewish wars. They thought the same way about killing Romans, and the result was the death of something like half the Jewish population and a 2000 year exile. Your view of the value of violence in my opinion is the height of self-destructive folly, as was the view of the Jewish Zealots in the first century.

The sooner Muslim Arabs accept the reality of the state of Israel--and very many do--and resolve to cooperate for the benefit of Arab and Jew alike, the sooner the middle east will be peaceful and prosperous.

david h's picture

> Can you see that a Palestinian’s life is not any less valuable than an Israeli’s?

Nina,

Good question.

A speech by Fathi Hammad, Hamas, Al-Aqsa TV, 2008:

The enemies of Allah do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its methods of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."

Lebanon -- LBC TV, 2009; Lebanese journalists May Chidiac & ‘Uqab Saqr:

Chidiac: Are our children worth less than [Israeli] children?
Saqr: The question is why their blood is worth more than ours, and the answer, to be frank, is that they value human life more than we do. We have no respect for human life in our society – you see this in our jails, in the crimes we commit against one another. Look back a little, and see what happened between Fatah and Hamas. The Israeli newspapers wrote that there were massacres, and some Fatah members fled to Israel for fear of Hamas.

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Hamas Attacks Against Fatah Kill 14 and Add to Gaza Chaos
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/16/world/middleeast/16gaza.html?_r=1

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CIVILIANS PAYING PRICE
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSLB264011

Fatma, a Gaza resident, said by telephone.....:
"People are in a state of shock and carry a lot of hatred for Hamas," she said. "Civilians are dying. My house was bombed, why wasn't (Hamas leader) Ismail Haniyeh's house bombed?"

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Gaza Strip attack on Fatah loyalists by Hamas gunmen kills 11

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4454082.ece

....Shadi Hilles, a 22-year-old former member of the Fatah security forces in Gaza, said that he wanted to stay in Israel and would be arrested and beaten by Hamas if he was forced to return. “I don't know what will happen. If I go back they are sure to get me,” he told The Times, lying with a foot wound in an Israeli hospital in Ashqelon.....

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Edit:
Bill, I didn't see your post.

Good questions:
Saad, do you also condemn Hamas using women and children as human shields, as they are now doing in the current war?

Do you also condemn the continuation of rocket attacks against Israel even after it left Gaza?

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Saad Abulhab's picture

William Berkson wrote:

>>The sooner Muslim Arabs accept the reality of the state of Israel

I personally accept fully the reality of the people of Israel and their human needs and rights to live in Palestine, but just as the black people of South Africa had never accepted the reality of South Africa under Apartheid system, I personally would NEVER accept the reality of Israel under Zionist system.

The Israeli people must reverse the crimes of there past and present leaders and accept living in Palestine/Israel with ALL the Palestinian people, in peace.

-Saad

Typedog's picture

timd

Sorry comrade, I am free to express my feelings anyway possible.
Long live California and Texas!

gohebrew

I hardly think Mexico wants AzizMostafa , what would the Mexican Jews say!

AzizMostafa

die happily and gain martyrdom----> Sound's like the words Hamas feeds its human bombs. Well Aziz at least we agree on Down with Taliban.

typerror's picture

You guys seem to believe this will be solved in a chat room... There is not a smiley emoticon big enough to express the humour of that assumption!

Back to type, right Hrant?

Michael

aluminum's picture

You guys seem to believe this will be solved.

;o)

Typedog's picture

Never, and your right back to type

William Berkson's picture

Michael, I am not so naive as to think we are going to solving anything here. This is an unusual opportunity for me, at least, to discuss the issue with people around the world. I find it very interesting, if depressing. Of course the situation is still more depressing.

Saad, are you saying that any Jewish state is illegitimate, and that there should be no peace between the Palestinians and Israel, but only wiping out of the Jewish state?

I concede that there has been injustice and cruelty of Israel against the Palestinians. Are you prepared to concede that there has been Palestinian cruelty and injustice against the Jews?

You analogy to South Africa is wrong, because Israel has had a majority Jewish population ever since the Arab countries failed to wipe it out in 1948. Two generations have passed, and it is time to create a peace that reflect the current reality of two peoples on separate lands.

timd's picture

>Sorry comrade, I am free to express my feelings anyway possible.
Long live California and Texas!

Citizen Typedog,
I appreciate the irony, hope you can.

As for solving it, I refer you to my first contribution. However, like William, I value the variety and foci of the contributions.

Tim

typerror's picture

You are better off finishing your long awaited Caslon, William : )

Michael

AzizMostafa's picture

William, there is no pointing repeating the same questions+answers:
http://typophile.com/node/30209?page=1#comment-175307

Israel was founded on lies. Non-Arab Jews were sent with arms to take over
the land by the British by attacking Muslims as All are witnessing today.
And the rest of the Jews were cheated to leave their homes to the Promised land?!
Jews were not immigrants but invaders. Two generations have passed,
and it is time to leave. Israel does not fit in the Arab Jigsaw.
Back to type: how many immigrant Jews can speak+write Arabic today?!

Saad Abulhab's picture

Dear William Berkson

I understand and appreciate your curiosity, but I am not interested in political debates, or in use of propaganda slogans.

The Palestinian problem and facts are well documented from the first day the British army occupied Palestine in 1917 and opened its doors *illegally and criminally* to European settlers despite the will of its inhabitants (90 % Muslims and Christians). Millions of Palestinian refugees (Muslims and Christians)) still carry the keys to their homes that they were terrorized to leave behind. Israel acting as an Apartheid Regime (Jimmy Carter's words) shall NEVER live in peace.

Period!

-Saad

Typedog's picture

timd

Agreed

david h's picture

About Hamas, Around the World:

Arabs turn against 'megalomaniac' Hamas
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24860529-15084,00.html

Responsibility for the war in Gaza, and for the Palestinian fatalities there, was placed squarely on Hamas by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.
"We called the leaders of Hamas and told them, 'Please, do not end the truce'," he said. [1] Hamas ended a six-month truce with Israel two weeks before the Israeli attack.
An Abbas aide, Nimr Hammad, termed the rocket fire into Israel reckless. "The one responsible for the massacre is Hamas," he said. "Hamas should not have given the Israelis a pretext." [2]
Bassam Abu-Sumayyah, a columnist for the daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, accused Hamas of megalomania and said it had acted without even a little bit of political and security sense. It had behaved like a superpower. [3]

[1]. when he was in Egypt

[2]. quoted from the paper in Lebanon Al-Akhbar (http://www.al-akhbar.com/): "The one responsible for the massacres is Hamas, and not the Zionist entity, which in its own view reacted to the firing of Palestinian missiles. Hamas needs to stop treating the blood of Palestinians lightly. They should not give the Israelis a pretext."

[3]. quoted from the paper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (The new life, the official paper of the Palestinian National Authority; http://www.alhayat-j.com/): "They should have had even a little bit of political and security sense, and not left the people wandering, and losing their way, getting killed and injured. It is clear that Hamas was struck by megalomania since they took over Gaza, which blinded them so they would not listen to any advice. Hamas behaved like a superpower, as if they have weapons and means like Hizbullah in Lebanon..."

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Asharq Al-Awsat:The Arab Vote Against Hamas
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=2&id=14879

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Muslims Against Hamas
Israel isn't the only side to blame
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123154855613269959.html

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Typedog's picture

AzizMostafa

Give it up and find something else to do stop being so ignorant.

Guerrizmo+Design

AzizMostafa's picture

> Give it up and find something else to do stop being so ignorant.

At your service, I have:
1. given up.
2. found something else.
http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Flyer.html
3. felt sorry for being so ignorant
______________________________________
Flowers to VHO

William Berkson's picture

>British army occupied Palestine in 1917 and opened its doors *illegally and criminally* to European settlers

That's not what I read. What I read is that with very rare exceptions, the Jews who moved into Palestine bought land properly and legally. They also brought European knowledge and skills that enabled them to develop the economy, so that there was large Arab immigration into and near where the Jews have settled.

Sitting here in America, and knowing my family's history for the last century, I just don't see why the Arab population couldn't have been tolerant and cooperative if they wanted to be. For the past 25 years, I have lived in a cluster of about 50 townhouses, and my next door neighbor, with whom I share a common wall, is Egyptian and Muslim. We've never had any problems and it would be unthinkable and criminal if anyone were to harm his property or family, although he's the only Muslim in a majority Christian neighborhood. And I think others would have the same view if some in the majority culture would come and try to expel me, a Jew, from my house.

Now I don't deny that there are intolerant people in the US. In the early 20th century there was a lot of anti-semitism. And now, with the huge Hispanic immigration, there are some who are equally intolerant. But I glad to say that the voices of tolerance have generally prevailed.

What I read went on is that people like Amin Al-Husseini whipped up fear and hatred of the Jews for their own interests. And, as I said they against their wishes help create a separate Jewish state because Jews felt that otherwise they would be attacked--as they had been in riots led by Al-Husseini.

I am very familiar with this tactic of demagoguery. I have seen it done by US Southern demagogues like George Wallace, who whipped up anti-black feeling for their own gain. And recently to my sorrow George W. Bush got re-elected by whipping up fear of radical Islam.

If you don't want to participate, I understand, but know that there is certainly not agreement in the West on your version of the history. If you have references in English I can read, from actual scholars, I'd be interested in the other side of the history.

As to keeping the keys to your houses, like it or not, the Jews have in effect been keeping the keys for 2000 years, reciting every year at Passover 'next year in Jerusalem'. And they kept alive the Hebrew language, which is the native Caananite language, and not Arabic, which was not spoken in those lands until the Arab conquest. The Jewish claim of connection to the land of Israel is very real and historical.

Aziz, your holocaust denial is grotesque, ugly, and absurd. I know from personal family stories, and a survivor of Auschwitz who is a friend today, as well as from libraries of histories, that it was all too real.

Saad Abulhab's picture

Dear William Berkson

>>That’s not what I read. What I read is that with very rare exceptions, the Jews who moved into Palestine bought land properly and legally.

Many did, but then used acquired lands as military bases to to steel more lands illegally.

>>Sitting here in America, and knowing my family’s history for the last century, I just don’t see why the Arab population couldn’t have been tolerant and cooperative if they wanted to be.

The Arab population was very tolerant and only revolted after settlers started talking about a "Jewish Homeland". If Egyptian emigrants in your town start talking and acting violently to create an "Egyptian state" where you would not allowed to live in or would be treated as a second class citizen, you would do the same.

>>As to keeping the keys to your houses, like it or not, the Jews have in effect been keeping the keys for 2000 years, reciting every year at Passover ’next year in Jerusalem’.

Jews according to both bibles did not come to an empty land when they crossed the Sinai desert. Eventually they became one of the groups living in that land along with many others. But if they do feel that they belong there and have kept Jerusalem in their hearts for 2000 years, I really respect that and wish that they all come in to live SIDE BY SIDE ALL people in Palestine and neighboring lands. The Jewish religion teachings never included displacing and killing the non Jewish populations of Palestine. After all, having all Jews of the world (20 Millions) living next to their cousins the Arabs (200 millions) can only benefit both.

-Saad

AzizMostafa's picture

> ... my next door neighbor... is Egyptian and Muslim.

What is the difference between A+B?
__________________________A__________________________
Thousands out of Millions oppressed Egyptian Muslims carefully-filtered out
by US-immigration just to escape Zionist-backed Mobarak+live peacefully in US.
In one word: Legal immigrants accepted+governed by US-Rules.
__________________________B__________________________
Thousands non-Arab Jews armed by Zionists sent to kill thousands of Palestinians, imprison thousands and corner the rest of them into 10% of their land?
In 1 word: Illegal immigrants sent+backed by Zionists to take over+rule.
__________________________C__________________________
1. Did the no-Arab Jews apply for migration to Palestine?
2. Were they sent to live peacefully or to take over the land?
... by hook or by crook?
3. Will the Zionists allow the Muslims to rule US?
__________________________D__________________________
The Zionist Crimes in Gaza are beyond description.
They are cursed+condemned world-wide save by Zionists of course.

typerror's picture

Walk away William. Caslon is calling : )

Michael

William Berkson's picture

I hear you Michael :)

James Arboghast's picture

Thanks and kudos to everone who participated in this discussion. Now that the Gaza conflict is over we are seeing the extent of destruction and the human toll.

As the Prussian military genius Karl von Klausewitz observed, War is an extension of politics. Perhaps if the politics at work in the Gaza strip can be resolved, even by a small amount, future violent physical extensions of those politics won't be so harsh and destructive.

j a m e s

AzizMostafa's picture

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Flowers to all Peace-loving Typophiles

aszszelp's picture

@gohebrew

I' started reading this thread, but after about two dozens of your comments filled with hatred I ceasted to continue. However, I'd like to give you just a minor detail to think about.

You claim consistently to put it bluntly, that killing anyone, who could (not *will*, *could*) ever harm you, before they can, is the ultimate strategy, which you attribute "your peoples" success to.

You also write:
"In an ideal world, we can turn another cheek, like Jesus taught, and Gandhi practiced.

But we live in a cruel world. Therefore, the Jewish Bible teaches us to be realistic. There are Bin Ladens and Hamas hypocrites. It teaches to destroy the enemy before they destroy us."

Well, we all _do_ agree that we live in a less than perfect world, notwithstanding, explain me pleas:
How come then, that there are more than a billion Indians now, thanks to the politics of Ghandi. How come, there are more than a billion Christians now following the teachings of Jesus, and how come there are barely a handful of million Jews, besieged in Israel and hated in wide parts of the world?

Just think of it. And rethink your position, whether it is _kindness_ or it is _vengence_ that leads to peace and prosperity.

Also I'd like to point your attention to your use of "goy", "goyim" in your text. Using this word instead of standard English 'non-Jew(s)' as it would be appropriate in this discussion equals to use the (German) term 'Jud' instead of jew(s) in the very same text. I believe we all agree this would be very rude. Further using the quotation marks as you did implies a derogative intonation if it was used in speech, as it is often used by nationalistic and zionistic Israelis. (Goy/im per se is said not to be offensive in Ivrit context, unless it is indicated to be so by derogatory intonation).

You really should reflect on yourself.

aszszelp's picture

@James:

Sorry, I started reading the thread from the beginning, and posted when I was halfway through it. I only noticed now, that you de-facto closed this thread. Sorry for opening it again. I no way wanted to be a grave-digger. (Actually, it must have been your closing post that brought it up in the Tracker again, making me read it).

Just disregard my previous message, no need to go on.

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