To accompany, as text.

Because Bulmer's design is really older, here are some other text type suggestions: Cheltenham designed in 1896-1902 by Bertram Goodhue, and refined by M.F. Benton in the next 2 years; or Golden Type, originally designed in 1892 by W. Moris. The latter has SC and OSF versions. 'Chelt' was such a widespread favorite by the early 20th century, all printers had it in their inventories, so it's a very characteristic style of that era.

(BTW, it's nice to be back from vacation, I must say).

Very interesting. When I started this thread I was thinking of the fact that the client really likes Palatino, and that my art director is a Garamond no. 3 type of guy. Since that's where my head was at your suggestions initially came as a surprise. Don't get me wrong, I understand the reasoning behind your suggestions. I'm just wondering if I should be considering using an old style font for most of the text, with "period" fonts for initial caps, heads, subheads, etc. Is this a "cop out"? I'm interested in your reactions.

I'm anxious to get my hands on copies of the images, to become more familiar with the look of the material (seen briefly in a meeting yesterday). And I agree, Mark, that it would be a good idea to do some research into the books of the period. Thanks.

Mark, thanks once again for sharing your knowledge. I have more questions...

Your link for Bruce Old Style actually takes me to Zinc Italian. (I can, and have, looked up Bruce Old Style on my own.) Is there anything you want to say about Zinc Italian? Is it an authentic recreation? Thanks.

FYI: Research time is nonexistent for at least the next couple of days, but I will get to it!

I was thinking of DeVinne as well. You could try Bodoni Old Face. It has an expert collection.

http://www.philsfonts.com/showing.html?sku=BQ901100X1P1&start=1

Some display fonts: Fashion Compressed, Greeting Monotone, Willow, Beton.

And you could use Woodtype Ornaments for dingbats.

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/woodtype-ornaments/

I'm not sure about some of those. Bodoni was from about 100 years earlier and wasn't revived until the 1920s. Beton is from 1931 and on. Cloister (assuming you mean Cloister Oldstyle) is from 1913 and was based on types from the 1470s.

And of course designs from the late 1800s did not necessarily use fonts specifically created in that era. My impression of VIctorian design is really of mixing disparate fonts and dingbats. There were a lot of frilly fonts used with intricate dingbats and also blockier fonts based on wood type.

There have been plenty of fonts created in the 20th century which faithfully reproduced the look of "bygone days". T-26 created the Toulouse Lautrec family in the late 90s to recreate art nouveau fonts.

I've never come across across a Century-type (Century, DeVinne, Monotype Modern, etc...) font with small caps and old style numerals. Did they originally have them?

FYI, Old Style No. 7 is similar to Bruce Old Style, plus it contains small caps and old style numerals.

-Addison

Hi, me again, nice weather we're having, isn't it? You all look lovely today, is that a new shirt / blouse?

Just to make things interesting, let's say -- hypothetically, of course -- that the time period of the images is a little more extended than originaly mentioned. Like maybe the entire 19th century.

(Note to self: look before you leap; measure twice, cut once.)

According to American Metal Typefaces of the Twentieth Century, all those numbered Old Style faces have their origins in the late nineteenth century, and that Old Style No. 7 was a copy of an older foundry face adapted for machine composition. So I think it would work, even though technically it was released later.

If you go earlier into the nineteenth century, you would find stuff more along the lines of Bulmer and Scotch Roman (Matthew Carter's Miller is a modern interpretation of this). Also, you start getting into "fat faces" like this and egyptians like this.

Traditionally, small caps were only done for roman, not italic or bold. Having them for italic and bold is a recent development.

Since I don't think De Vinne has an expert collection (altho those can be created easily enough)"

Patricia, easy for a font designer? or for a non-font designing Quark type? How is it done?

Hi Everyone, lots of good information for me to mull here. Thank you. I would really like to use a font that has os figs, as there are a lot of dates in the copy.

Me, I just trust Mark's and Mike's first-hand experience. I wasn't there at the turn of the century...

Yves, somehow I've never had a chance to mention it but I always appreciate the comic relief. :-) And of course we know Mark is the king of font puns.

I'm tired, and will say good night. Thanks to you all.

You might find some good free dings at Briar Press.

Me, I just trust Mark's and Mike's first-hand experience.
I wasn't there at the turn of the century...