You do not need to update yours everytime they update theirs.
(unless you really need a translucent 3D mouse pointer)
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While one does not need to upgrade every 6 months, PowerPCs are a bit on the antique side.

It’s only a rumor for now, but it would be in keeping with the way Apple does things. I feel your pain, concrete. And I have a recommendation for you: check out the refurbished white iMacs at the online Apple store! I’m quite happy with mine. See this older thread.

Meh. I’m on intel and still don’t use 10.5.

I’m about to send a label to Italy to be printed. It’s new one in a series, and I wasn’t involved with it last year. The client says it was sent in Freehand format, and I’m arguing for Illustrator. I know I’m repeating myself here, but the only reason I still have a PPC is my old friend Freehand, that raises its ugly head every now and then, it refuses to die. Some of us are forced to use antique ;^)

@mili: The more I use Illustrator CS3 the more I wish Adobe would have just killed Illustrator and gone with Freehand.

mili: Freehand runs on Intel Macs. At least it does on my iBook.

I’m a hold out too. Still use Freehand. Hoping Inkscape or something else will come to save me before having to switch to Illustrator.

To be fair, Adobe didn’t really kill Freehand...it had been gangrenous for a while at Macromedia.

Inkscape is starting to look really good–especially that nifty calligraphy tool. If I could select BCP handles and manipulate them with the keyboard it would replace Illustrator for all my logo work.

I’m using a PowerPC G5 tower and have still not upgraded to Leopard.

Unless Apple adds support for complex opentype fonts then its a no go for for me.

Mikey :-)

Ditto for me, Mikey.

ChrisL

I too have not upgraded to Leopard, I am however looking forward to a Intel Mac, I like my PowerPC beast, never liked the name PowerPC... prefer PowerMac thank you... (sorry to PC users, just cannot do it).
I may wait for SNOW LEOPARD... see if they throw in a snowboard with a new Mac

Also FREEWHAT?.. freeway pro...? oh Freehand... yeh I remember that Aldus Freehand, or Freehand 8 now that was good... just to change to topic myself. I learnt on Freehand, went out to the real world and they all said freewhat?... thank goodness I knew Quark (the battle tank, it is like driving a battle tank), Illustrator was easy to pick up, got me a job over 100 other young designers.

Quark 8 is out soon... I may pass, though Adobe you keep good....

I have a couple of Intel Macs they are all running Leopard, and I am happy. And I still can run Illustrator 10 with its Multiple Master capabilities.

JamesM

I’m macintel and on 10.4

I was planning on upgrading to 10.5 this summer, but I think I’ll skip 10.5 and just go straight to 10.6 in the winter!

“Freehand 8 now that was good”

But not as good as 7. THAT when it was in its prime.

I have a pre-Intel iMac running 10.4.11, a brand new MacBook Pro with Leopard which I have just started installing software on and... wait for it... an old G4 tower running OS 9. Why, you ask? It took me several months to migrate all my apps over to my iMac but there is still one holdout - the Epson Twain scanning software. The OS X version of that software is frustratingly counterintuitive compared to it’s geriatric cousin. So basically I have a computer that I use only for scanning.

Freehand I haven’t used since the 80s I think. It amazes me that people still use it. Are they still using Pagemaker too?

“Freehand I haven’t used since the 80s I think. It amazes me that people still use it. Are they still using Pagemaker too?”

Ouch! This is turning into a battle! ;o)

It’s a poor analogy, as Pagemaker was crappy software. ;o)

The other day I read that Apple produces some of the documentation for new products on old machines, using FrameMaker. FM has never been updated to an OS X-compatible version. Too bad, according to hard core tech manual designers.

. . .
Bert Vanderveen BNO

I’m still running Panter on my 17inches PowerBook G4... for now it does all i need! On another subject i love the way freehand works... just can’t get used to illustrator!

James Puckett
4.Jun.2008 8.36am
The more I use Illustrator CS3 the more I wish Adobe would have just killed Illustrator and gone with Freehand.

Completely agree - I’m very annoyed at being forced to migrate to a horrible overweight lumbering, flaccid vector program from Freehand which was pretty much perfect for actually drawing things.

Are they still using Pagemaker too?

A manager I had at an old job used to call it Ragemaker... :-D

Sometimes, if a client has created a job in Pagemaker and just needs to have some text updated, or translated, you have to stick with the application it was created in. But I know Adobe was encouraging Pagemaker users to switch to InDesign a couple of years ago... They had (or have) some sort of discount if you switched/upgraded to InDesign. Besides, they stopped upgrading PM after version 7, if I’m not mistaken.

Ha! We called it ProfitWrecker.

I’ve always liked PageMaker and still occasionally use it to generate some book documents. I keep it on an older G4 along with other orphaned Mac software such as Streamline and Adobe Type Manager (for creating Multiple Master instances).

InDesign (beginning with CS2) can convert PageMaker docs without problem except that it wipes out the kerning (actually a blessing).

I wouldn’t call PM “crappy software.” As I recall it WAS the page-layout program that started it all and has gotten us here today. Hmmm? I’ve done an awful lot of work with it and, quite frankly, typography and design have nothing to do with software. I’ve handset a lot of books in metal type as well so I think I could suggest that the execution of typography and design are also hardly dependent upon the newer than the newest technology.

I do love working with InDesign (never liked Illustrator) but I can certainly do my work without it if need be.

Gerald

If I could select BCP handles and manipulate them with the keyboard [Inkscape] would replace Illustrator for all my logo work.

You should file a bug.

new title.... Freehand going... going, going... whoops... already gone. Though you can still buy it, no more development.
Fireworks and Dreamweaver are now getting the CS make over. Acrobat is in a different building I think.

Any issues with Illustrator ask me (+ others)and see if I can help. Would like to make it easy for you.

[retro]

[end retro]

Patty, you might investigate SilverFast.

http://www.silverfast.com/product/Epson/en.html

I wish Adobe would make a bare bones set of apps that only did the basics and cut the filters etc. Illustrator 3.X was very nice and lean but the postscript was rough.

Jupiterboy, Gerard Huerta made the same kind of wish — a bare-bones version of Illustrator — during a talk he gave at the New York TypeCon.

I’m in good company then. I’m sure the problem would be opening files made with all the bell and whistles—how to retroconvert them to make sense.

If you don’t like Illustrator, and don’t need postscript, do give InkScape a try.

but you CAN draw with illustrator. the new brush tool is quite versatile, and the integration within CS is better than ever. i basically grew up on adobe and i’m enjoying the CS evolution. i wish ai and psd fully shared gui.

I can’t understand what everyone’s problems with Illustrator are, I love it myself.

The only things I hate about it are how it’s text handling has just died in the last few years. Trying to manipulate text on Illustrator CS3 is like pulling teeth sometimes.

And I absolutely hate that saved files have all the space hogging PDF crap tacked onto them. I’ve saved files with and without PDF compatibility before and the size reduction from saving without PDF compatibility has been huge sometimes—I remember one file was almost 18 megs with the PDF crap attached and without it went down to under a couple megs. But if you save without the PDF compatibility you also lose the icon preview in the OS so it’s one or the other. Despite the fact that hard drives are very large now I do like to save space when I can.

I hate the fact that AI still does not have contextual alternates on by default! This is just NUTS!!! It is on in InD as it should be, why not AI? It can’t be that hard to fix, for christ’s sake.

ChrisL

10.5 anyone?...
Question for those ONLY with a G5 dual 2g PowerMac... anyone using 10.5.3 with Adobe CS Suite and no issues?

Freehand is great, I love the way it sets type. Freehand does some great things, its gradient tool is awesome. How about this crazy, multiple size pages within a document? Wow1
I wish someone bought Freehand. Adobe has killed some great software in the past, did they ever really do anything with FrameMaker? I’m not knocking Adobe, cause I love postscript, but outside of that and Illustrator, they have really just bought the pieces to the puzzle, kinda like the dude who retired today up in Washington.
The Truth shall set you free

ok start your own Freehand live in the past... or buy Freehand off Adobe bring it up to scratch and sell it... please start your own Freehand thread. I guess I have gone off thread with my 10.5 question, more on track from original thread. :)))))