LJB Calluna :: first peek

Jos Buivenga's picture

Just a first look at the thingy I've worked on this past few weeks. Not ready for crits, because I'm still in the middle of my own processes :-) but ready enough for the outer world to take a first glimpse.

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writingdesigning's picture

Looks nice, lots of interestng details. Love that thing you're doing with the serifs on vertical strokes. Look forward to seeing the final cut!

Jos Buivenga's picture

Thanks for the kind words Arun. Still lots to do, so it will take me a little while ;)

Bert Vanderveen's picture

I like that you are turning to sharper serifs. But I have some reservations regarding the non-symmetrical character of those serifs. (Please take in account that I am quite jealous of your typecreation skills…)

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Bert Vanderveen BNO

Jos Buivenga's picture


Thanks for being jealous Bert ;)
The reason why the serifs are so non-symmetrical is because I'm trying to create an top-right direction with it to (maybe) help the eye to go to the top right of each caracter. Perhabs better illustrated with an upside-down image.

Arild's picture

I like the look of this. It is elegant and original, and seems to work great both as a display type and in body copy. There appears to be quite a lot of unfinished LJB-gems to look forward to in 2008: DeliciousX, Fontin Serif, Museo and Calluna. Which of these will be freeware, and which will be for sale?

Jos Buivenga's picture

Thanks Alrid. I would like it to be my first text face (optimized for about 10/11 pt) with enough detail to also be suitable for display work. I'm not sure if I want to do a seperate display version.

I've indeed many fonts to finish. I guess I'm too easily distracted by new ideas (like Calluna) I like to try out :)

Most of my new fonts will remain free with some payed 'extras' like small caps or a light or heavy weight.

ebensorkin's picture

What aspects of this are you currently working on?

Jos Buivenga's picture

Do you mean Calluna or all the unfinished fonts mentioned by Alrid?

Ehague's picture

The way some of the eccentricities of the lowercase are translated into analogous, but sturdier, forms in the uppercase is really nice. I wonder though why you made certain decisions about some of the top serifs within the uppercase set. Compare H and I to V, W and U. Maybe I'm missing something. I know those straight letters at the end of the alphabet are something of a clique...

I particularly like the question mark and the lowercase p and q. I'm also jealous as hell.

Jos Buivenga's picture

That's a sharp observation ... so I guess you're not missing anything :)

I like to keep the right serifs of V,W & U but 'transferring' a top serif of H (I tried) would make the left serifs of prev chars too thin. Still struggling though.

ebensorkin's picture

I meant Calluna. I was thinking that if I were to ask question or give a crit I would be more helpful if I knew what you were thinking of yourself. Also, I am wondering when you make the ff ligs contextual versions are you doing the ff lig as one glyph or two?

Jos Buivenga's picture

... I would like it to be my first text face (optimized for about 10/11 pt) with enough detail to also be suitable for display work ...

On the ff ligatures the crossbar between the two f's measures thinner so two f's overlapping is not going to work. I do have an alternate f for the first f in an ff pair (when ligatures are of or when tracking breaks up the ff ligature).


For now it's a bit early for really detailed critin' because I'm still in the middle of my own processes. The reason why I've posted this on my blog was because of Florian's 'f+umlaut' topic. General remarks, feelings or directions are of course more then welcome :)

Jos Buivenga's picture

Thanks to Eric's comment I had to give the serif on V, W, X and Y (l&uc) another go. You can take a look at the pdf to see the changes. I owe you Eric!

Ehague's picture

No problem—I'm glad I could be of help!

ebensorkin's picture

There is something still a bit frankenstein-like about the serif treatment. It seems arbitrary & theory-based rather than optical and observed. It does make me wonder about what I think though; which is a pleasant challenge. So far I am not sure.

The main thing I would encourage you to do is to think in terms of what the space between letters needs. The serif treatments need not be literally consistent to work. There are old & new fonts where this is so. Look at the a s and l (el) in
Amalia . There are 5 different approaches to the serifs. And yet to my eye each is working optically. You can tell this is true better from a print out than in the flash preview.

I would also watch out for details that may sparkle and catch the eye a bit too much. It might be that the bases of those serifs do that. Or not. But I wonder.

In any event I will have a proper look soon.

Jos Buivenga's picture

@ Eric: Thanks again and please drop by now and then :)

Eben, the base serifs were the theory-based start of this font, but I quickly let optics decide. Thanks for the nice Amalia link. I'll have a look. If you want to have a better look at Calluna I'll be happy to send you a beta font file. Let me know.

ebensorkin's picture

I'll take you up on that offer! BTW, Do you have any other contextual alterations going on in the font besides the f+(x)umlauts?

Jos Buivenga's picture

Great. YGM.

I do have some other calt combinations like f-), f-] and f-}.
I'm also experimenting with 'caps' numbers if numbers are
flanked by a capital, but I'm not sure about it.

Jos Buivenga's picture

Like this:

ebensorkin's picture

Very nice indeed.

aszszelp's picture

I really *love* those serifs! (though for a book face they distract me too much).

I think having lining rather than old-style numerals with capitals is a good idea.

Jos Buivenga's picture

Hi Szabolcs, Thanks for commenting ... maybe I've got (too) used to the serifs, because I think they work well at smaller sizes.

It's great that you and Eben like the idea of the lining numerals (still have to script it properly though).

aszszelp's picture

Hm, that smaller-size image actually gives a lot of insights. E.g. that the serifs on the minuscles are not as distracting as I thought they would be (they definitely were on the "display" sizes to me; on display sizes on the other hand such decoration, standing-out is desirable). They work really well!
As I said, it's the serifs I like about the font very much, and I see how they are the core of your experiment/development. On the other hand, while one could notice the discrepancy of the V,W,Us compared to the other capitals in the first version published, I'd give it a try the other way round: Would it be bold to suggest a trial of having the top serifs of the first vertical stem (or the only one) of any capital to be more symmetric (i.e. slightly more protruding to the right), transferring the minuscle-like characteristics only to the second vertical stem? (This came to my mind as two letters felt "wrong" to me: I and H; interestingly not so much L).

I've got two-three more observations, but they are in the detail, and so I will shut up: it's a "first peek not ready for crit yet" after all :-)

metalfoot's picture

This is a lovely bit of work. Please, keep us posted!!!

Jos Buivenga's picture

... I’d give it a try the other way round ...
I'm willing to give that a try, but for now –as I'm a little reluctant to change this– I've adjusted the serifs so that they appear more balanced. (See the new pdf).

I’ve got two-three more observations, but they are in the detail, and so I will shut up: it’s a “first peek not ready for crit yet” after all
You've made me curious. I think I can take it at this stage :) So please bring it on.

This is a lovely bit of work. Please, keep us posted!!!
Thanks Alex! Hereby.

Jos Buivenga's picture

Just for progress' sake ... some first sans attempts ... I will lay her down on the chopping block soon.

typovar's picture

prachtig!
Beautiful!

Jos Buivenga's picture

Dank/thanks Arjen. I'm very busy with the MUSEO release on MyFonts right now. I'll get back on Calluna when time is due (read shortly).

AGL's picture

¡Awesome!

¡Reawesome!

¡Requeawesome!

¡Requeteawesome!

AGL's picture

Jos, on the 3rd image down, is that a ft ligature? And it is curvy too, i didn't say it early

Jos Buivenga's picture

No, it's an ff or an ff-something ligature. BTW Andre ... thanks for your e-mail! I'll reply soon.

AGL's picture

Take your time, no hurry. You are most welcome!

Jos Buivenga's picture

Progress ... proress ... progress ...

Jurriaan's picture

Jos, I'm very excited to see your progress on Calluna. I'm really curious as to what the end result will look like, and when it will be released :)
I'm especially wondering in what weights the typeface will be available, and what the italics will look like!
Good luck working on it,

Jurriaan

Jos Buivenga's picture

Jurriaan, thanks for commenting!

Haven't made my mind up regarding the weights, but surely there will be bold, italic and small caps. Maybe a bold italic and a heavy weight and I'm also wondering what the italics will look like :-)

When it will be released? Probably somewhere (I hope early) next year.

Jos Buivenga's picture

First italic sketches ...

Jos Buivenga's picture

And a bold test ...

Jos Buivenga's picture

More progress...

Jos Buivenga's picture

Almost done...

michielterpelle's picture

It looks really good. Can't wait for the release.

Jos Buivenga's picture

Thanks, Michiel. Just a few more days I hope. Still a little building, hinting and testing to do.

michielterpelle's picture

Als ik mag vragen... hoeveel gaat hij kosten?

Jos Buivenga's picture

Pricing will be (99% sure) $19.95 per style. $55 for a 4 style family (R/B/I/BI) and $89 or $85 for a 6 style family (same as 4 style + SmBd/SmBd It). The regular will be free.

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