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A term for the area between letter bits in stencil type fonts?
Can't imagine that much of a widespread need, but well, why not?...
Wonder what made them come up with it?
I think that this is a great definition, all anatomies should be laid out in any profession. Also, this is a great example of the evolution of type over the years, and the progression of type as we know it.
A ‘bridge’? In German, it’s ‘Steg’.
I quite agree with you Wesley.
Just out of curiosity, what does it take for a new definition to become part of a typographic lexicon?
Is it enough if a lot of people just pick up a new word and use it, or is there a more formal process?
I think these guys decide the new typographic terminology.
New Type Terminology and Definitions Board of Directors
It's apparently been a while since that last extraordinary session ;)
Write an RFC.
That would be "Nuestra Señora del Pilar" in Spanish.
"Sprue" would seem to be more appropriate to me.
"Manka'ntok" in the dialect of my hometown.
> It’s apparently been a while since that last extraordinary session
Naw, its just that to be on that Board, you have to wear ugly 70s clothing.
Since it's an artifact of stencil limitations, isn't it called a connector or bridge? Stencil fonts are just affectations, like rough typewriter fonts.
No, not completely or only affectations, durability is a, or the quality of stencil type, that frequent relates to disasters.
"Connector" sounds good to me.
By the way "manka'ntok" (the made-up that comes from the dialect of my hometown) means "ne manca un pezzo," literally "a piece is missing."
Here is a group picture of the last New Type Terminology and Definitions Board of Directors, you can see the pylons at the back :
Outside of typographic context, in architecture and airplane construction for example, a "pylon" is a kind of projecting strut or stick-shaped structure used for mounting components like engines, equipment nacelles, pods, bridge sections, girders.
The only sense I can think of in which that applies to a lettering stencil is *projection* into letter and glyph forms. Other than that these so-called "pylons" don't have anything mounted on their ends.
Since it’s an artifact of stencil limitations, isn’t it called a connector or bridge?
On the stencil itself, I would call those parts "connectors" or "bridges", since they connect the surrounding material together and act as a kind of land bridge.
For the artwork---the lettering produced by a stencil---I call the blank areas "gaps". Just common sense really. Going on a "gapping spree" is the easiest way to turn an ordinary font into a textured font ;^)
j a m e s
"Here is a group picture of the last New Type Terminology and Definitions Board of Directors"
Good one, Alessandro!
A term for the area between letter bits in stencil type fonts
I hope I don't sound awfully naive, but isn't that space a gap rather than a structure? It's an absence, not a presence.
This is a pylon. :-)
The Board of Directors is apparently working on some secret experiments on the pylon :
You guys should stop kidding around. This is serious and we need to make sure we get it right. Type Terminologists of the future are counting on us.
Type Terminologists of the future
+1 all around
Could someone call an actual stencil maker and ask them what the shop word for the ol' gappy is?
I just talked on the phone with the Head of the Board of Directors, he's evaluating the effect of temper on his pylon :
I think his pylon is about to be frozen! :-)
We're all gonna get kicked out of here!
Either that, or a moderator who shall remain nameless will pop in here and tell us that we are all CRAZY! :-)
Moi? Yeah, you're all crazy. What was the original question again?
I actually did contact a stencil maker. Bridge is what they call it. Connector is a logical second option. I don't think it's necessary to invent a new, separate term for the same thing in a digital stencil font. One thing maybe worth differentiating: real, functional bridges versus fake, digital ones.
Note: Silkscreening is essentially a stencil technique; anything including thin threads or hair can act as bridges, so it's possible to make stencils that don't look like stencils. I've used long hairs as bridges on stencils for house numbers where the letters would be too ambiguous and unreadable with fat paper bridges. "Invisible bridge"..... Add it to the wiki. ;)
The question was, I think, is there a real need for a pylon ?
Actually the question was who takes a call on things like these - whether it should be pylon or something else.
'Need to be more careful with questions like that in future :)
We’re all gonna get kicked out of here!
Okay, back to business! Taking the question to the next level: How do you call the complementary stencil parts which are sometimes used to fill the bridges in a second step?
Thomas Maier showed this fascinating picture in his presentation on stencils at this year’s ATypI:
Ever since I chose to block pop-ups, my toaster's stopped working.
Moi? Yeah, you’re all crazy.
Nah, not you, Miss Tiff. I meant Yves... He did that in a couple of threads; it was pretty funny.
I actually did contact a stencil maker. Bridge is what they call it. Connector is a logical second option. I don’t think it’s necessary to invent a new, separate term for the same thing in a digital stencil font.
Cool beans, Carl. Good to know.
Ceci n'est pas un pipe, er, une pylône.
"I meant Yves... He did that in a couple of threads;"
I remember that, Ricardo. I think I was the culprit the last time, too :-)
Where is that, Chris, I wanna read it :-)
I have to figure out how to search for it. It was a bunch of bad puns as usual but I can't remember good key words!
"I actually did contact a stencil maker. Bridge is what they call it."
Correctomundo...and it connects to an island. I'm not sure what, besides lack of research or need for publicity, would cause someone to invent a new name.
Should we tell him?
Haley, do you mean tell FWIS?
You are all Crazy!
Ah!! That felt great. This does seem like a pretty silly thread. But that's okay.
I think Pylon is a silly term to use. I think the plain spoken "gaps" is where it's at.
There's more : http://www.ministryoftype.co.uk/words/pylons/
Needs to be pylonated : http://www.thisisapylon.com/images/type_anatomy.png
It's a bridge.
You are welcome.
Depends on your point of view. It does look like a bridge, but it also looks like a gap.
This is largely a semantic debate, with no end.
Saying "period" adds no merit to "bridge".
It's a bridge!
It's a gap!
Like it matters. I don't think it does.
Peace. Tolerance, etc. Why can't we have both?
Rationale for not calling it a bridge: a bridge has rails along the edges to help prevent people and vehicles from veering off the edge. How many stencil types have visible rails along the edges of their "bridges". Probably none.
"Gap" is a simpler analogy with the advantage of no rails and ease of spelling.
It's a bridge from the negative side, and a gap from the positive side. (Or is that backwards?) Not negative as in "Oo, that's bad," but in the white-space sense.
On the actual stencil that is a physical object, calling it a bridge makes perfect sense. On the stenciled letter, it makes perfect sense to call it a gap.
However which way you cut it, it still smells like cheeze.
Yep-yep-yep. I distinguished the two different cases earlier.
Have some cheese everybody! Cheese smells nice ;^)
"Like it matters."
The extreme triviality of this whole "pylon" definition makes it an amusing discussion. It reminds me of Rich Hall back in the '80s when he created the term "sniglet"—creating silly words to describe unlabeled things. There was even a sniglet to describe the crust that builds on the rim of ketchup bottles. (Although true sniglets are newly created words and pylon, connector, bridge, gap are not.)
Let's see though, in twenty plus years of working with type I've needed a label for this thing how many times? None! Never! But then again this is a discussion that someone has plastered all over the internet about nothing—literally nothing. Seinfeld got famous with a TV comedy show about nothing. Maybe nothing is just funny by nature.
Everyone say CHEESE!
I believe Haley posted the thread as an amusing topic but their could be a gap in my thinking so we might wait and cross that bridge when we come to it--besides, pyling on is a 15 yard penalty.