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... For I just can't stand Super Duty anymore.
Am I alone?
Am I alone?
I see. On-topic, I am not bothered by that, but when the titles are a bit longer they look strange.
I understand the title fonts are sponsors. Perhaps another foundary will make an offering that will give us some variety.
Oh yes please make an offering please pleeeaaaaaaase
I mean, we are supposed to be all typo freaks out there... This is just plain pain.
I suppose the "typo freaks" care about the content, as they scroll down, they can read the title on the top of the browser.
Sheesh. You'd think anything that keeps the boards running, ergo sponsorship!, would make you guys happy. Guess there's no pleasing the masses.
I'm all for sponsorship... I'm just curious when the next sponsor gets to roll out their goods.
Perhaps the reader who donates the most can choose the fonts to be used.
People can get so picky about websites that are free :(
I vote to keep Super Duty and I'm backing it up with a pledge of $20 of my-own-money.
You are so awesome.
You're not alone, David. I can't stand it either.
As it's Thanksgiving Eve in the US, I'm going to refrain from bitching and further argument and state that I'm thankful for the fact that we have Typophile (and that Super Duty rocks the header).
I got it from upstairs that they do hope to change the font soon. They also say that if you want your font to be used contact for an ad rate sheet.
Now someone start a thread for what we ARE thankful for or we might lose the spirit of the season altogether.
I love Super Duty as a font. At the same time, Typophile is not a G.I. Joe fan forum. I thought the whole idea was to rotate the featured font periodically.
They may have priced it a bit high.
I'm just about ready to advertise here (just waiting to get my e-commerce finally up and running), but will probably go with banner ads rather than the biggie.
I am thankful for Typophile and the chance to have interacted with most of the people I have met here. Thanks to the Punchcut gang for all they do. The Superduty thing ain't no big thing. I remember when the only thing I could use was typewriter. Now I sound like my parents telling me how bad it was during the great Depression and how easy we have it now :-)
I am contributing to some typo forums and blogs, and Typophile is by far the nicest one. I am really grateful to be able to share my point of view with fine typophiles from around the globe, even if it considerably differs with their own. So far, bashing has not been too brutal.
So... THANK YOU TYPOPHILE.
- but please change the font.
>I vote to keep Super Duty and I’m backing it up with a pledge of $20 of my-own-money.
Sii, you can count Paul and me each in for another $20 each. That's $60 to keep Super Duty in circulation.
I like the banner ads better, Nick. Candy Script is on one all the time but it seems more appropriate and I don't get tired of it.
I'm not being ungrateful. This is a type design forum and Super Duty is a cool font that doesn't work here. At least to me. But I didn't grow to hate Super Duty. I just never liked it in the titles. I think Beorcana is a beautiful font but I didn't like it in the titles either.
I hope Typophile is thick-skinned enough to know she's a great girl that everyone adores. She just looks a bit fat in the Super Duty outfit.
The problem isn't all Super Duty's.
IMO, Georgia is right now the sore thumb on the site.
A sans text face would work better with Super Duty as heads.
So either Typophile should trust users to change the text font, or make the change itself.
Otherwise, it's restricting the kinds of typefaces that will look good as Featured Font.
I cant really elaborate on the issue for it is thanksgiving, I am on my phone and sitting in a hot tub in los angeles, but if anyone would like to see the typeface change, please contact us directly and we'd be happy to consider your own work.
Nick, email me when you get a chance - let's chat about a sponsorship :)
Of course not everyone is going to be happy win the choice of typeface (whether on typophile or in their local paper) and some folks are turned off by the color red. Super duty won't be there forever, though personally I think it looks HOT. We are thrilled to be able to show off the work of indie designers, and do plan to rotate it with time, as opportunities present themselves.
Back to my vacation...
I liked it to start with & having seen it for a while I like it MORE. But each to his own... I also think it's an awfully cool way to get your type in front of Type folks.
There's a difference between bitching/being unappreciative and welcoming the next best thing : ) DR's attitude is positive. Like all sites, free sites also benefit from the opinions of its participants.
I must agree. The title font is un-appealing... and a sans-serif would work better for the text, especially at this small size.
DR’s attitude is positive.
I just can’t stand ...
"can't stand" is not positive in my book. any one else want to pitch in to keep superduty around a bit longer?
As long as people are bringing it up, I have a hard time reading Georgia on Typophile, too. I think that this has something to do with the text appearing on a light gray background, which makes the anti-aliasing look much blurrier than it does when displayed against white.
To my old eyes, Georgia is quite easy to read and I hope you stay with it as a text face.
on my display (Win XP with ClearType enabled) Georgia looks just fabulous.
Georgia is fine on my Mac LCD screen, I just don't think it goes well with Super Duty.
If the contrast were between advertising and editorial, no problem, one expects such typography to be discongruent, and it's dysfunctional when it's not.
But with the Featured Font carrying bona fide editorial load, it does look wrong to match Super Duty with Georgia -- I mean, would any typographer do that in a magazine or brochure?
Just a constructive observation, of something that's not necessarily a "fault" which could be anticipated when coming up with a brilliant new marketing idea like the Featured Font.
well we could just redesign the site very month, I think we have time for that. It would be fun to see all the hate mail :)
I'll donate $30 to see Comic Sans as the title font
Seriously, we all would like to see a fresh face, in order to do this, interested designers need to contact us to discuss the opportunity.
if you want the text face change in addition to the featured font, this is going to cost you extra :)
> But with the Featured Font carrying bona fide editorial load, it does look wrong to match Super Duty with Georgia — I mean, would any typographer do that in a magazine or brochure?
But by that rationale, the parts that use Georgia would have to change everytime when the Featured Face does not match with it? That sounds a bit overdone to be honest. :)
$50 for Arial
Actually in reality I nominate this font:
by josh Scruggs
the parts that use Georgia would have to change everytime when the Featured Face does not match with it?
I don't have the perfect solution.
I'm just pointing out a discrepancy in the design of this site, now that it uses Featured Fonts.
I've already suggested two solutions, to repeat:
1. Text type to be user-changeable
2. A sans serif text face alternate to Georgia, for use with certain Featured Fonts, at the discretion of Punchcut.
It's not like the site would have to be redesigned for each Featured Font, but having a sans alternate would make for a more integrated design with faces such as Super Duty.
Nick: So for sans-serif, are you thinking Verdana or Arial or what?
Well, I agree that they faces not really fit well together. I guess a sans alternate could be a solution. However I'm not really that bothered by it; it would be nice if the Featured Face would rotate a bit more often. Super Duty is in use now far longer than Beorcana was (which I think looked better)? Or am I mistaken?
Beorcana seemed to be used longer from my foggy memory but I have no data.
Well, maybe it's my memory that is the foggy one then. ;)
hey, here is a positive idea, i think:
let's make a bit of democracy and vote. i mean, why not asking the very users of this forum, who are supposed to get these fonts under their eyes on a daily basis, what they wish? a rotation? a static font? a fresh new font? an old one?
or should we simply accept the fact that money is the key, and that the fonts used here will never change as long as nobody gives cash? or will be replaced by more unlegible ones if the foundry gives a bigger check? is reality that harsh?
why not using fonts designed with absolute perfection hundreds of years ago, the kind of ones everyone would actually not discuss about? the ones you are used to read in newspapers and magazines? the ones that are so well designed that you will actually not spend time and energy talking about, allowing to focus on all the other subjects? bodoni, helvetica, baskerville, whatever. the typeface of the month / semester / century can be shown in 50 different ways, money can still get in.
i'd like to say that i dont really care at the end, but I'm afraid I do.
- ok now thy can destroy me with your mighty keyboards.
Typophile is not a democracy. Typophile is owned and administrated by members of the Punchcut design studio in San Francisco. Without the time and devotion that they give—for free, after hours, when they should probably be with their spouses, families, children, friends, etc.—there would not be a Typophile for us to use. They make the code, they pay the bills (rather high bills!), they make the rules. Yes, reality is that harsh.
>why not using fonts designed with absolute perfection hundreds of years ago, the kind of ones everyone would actually not discuss about?
Ummn, another Nota Bene… we cannot use fonts designed 100 years ago. Those were metal types. At best (for you), we could only use contemporary digital versions of those fonts. There is a big difference here!
And lastly, I doubt that the Typophile administers and moderators would get so excited about old fonts. Many of us are type designers ourselves, or have worked in the type industry, and what we really care about is making and seeing new designs. Since fonts were made already "with absolute perfection hundreds of years ago," according to you we should all pack up our bags and go home, right? Thankfully, as I said at the top of this post, that isn't a possibility, because even those old fonts won't show up on anyone's computer screens automatically! Or at least until someone invents a technology where you can pour old metal type sorts into the top of a computer, and then magically see letters dancing properly on the screen.
Why is everything that is old always better than something new? We easily give that quaint nostalgic boost to anything predating our time. All of those things are predated by something else. Lets not stop at metal type, lets go back to calligraphy. Cunieform, or even cave paintings.
The point of the featured font is to show new work. We can see old work anytime we want. What would be the point? Let's let Punchcut do their thing. If you have an idea for a new featured face, design it and let everyone comment on it. Complaining is easy and takes no work.
'Complaining is easy and takes no work'
eewww... ok, when it comes down to this, i dont want to argue anymore.
you,re right, i'm wrong.
’Complaining is easy and takes no work’
This is below the belt.
Can't we leave guilt out of this? Complaining is when you mope and don't do anything. DR is asking questions and giving suggestions about how this can happen. If he could do it, I think he would. It's not clear how this can happen. What we need is not to shut him up as a complainer — we need a clear explanation of how this works, who does it and how much it costs. Punchcut, I'm sure, aren't martyrs. We simply need to know if, and what, is possible. Clear and simple, no drama, no guilt trips.
also: "$50 for Arial" LLLOOLLL
’Complaining is easy and takes no work’
This is below the belt.
i don't think so. anyone whining deserves whatever insults are hurled at them, not that this is even insulting - just the truth.
we need a clear explanation of how this works, who does it and how much it costs.
this information is in the thread already. contact punchcut directly if you're serious about sponsoring the featured face. i'm sure they'll work with you on rates.
Clear and simple, no drama, no guilt trips.
from either side...
How it works is that Punchcut pays for the web site and the maintenance out of their own pocket. The labor is all done by volunteers with jobs and families and bills to pay like the rest of us. They do it in their spare time and are hardly ever thanked for their efforts. Punchcut tries to support the typography community worldwide buy giving us all this venue to speak and even complain about all things typographic. Sometimes they try to recoup a small bit of the cost to support the site by getting foundries or designers to sponsor a very small ad or use a typeface for headings for a fee. They also sell T-shirts to help with the cost. There is no drama or guilt trip intended by Punchcut or anyone else. Typophile is a community of people with an interest in typography. We don't agree with each other most of the time just like most groups of people. There is no "them and us". There is just dialogue. Sometimes you like it, sometimes you don't. No one says you can't voice an opinion but don't expect your opinion to cause someone else to always take action on your behalf.
a sans-serif would work better for the text, especially at this small size.
I see a sans serif, not Georgia. Maybe it's my Safari preferences or something.
I'm not a huge fan or Super Duty, nor did I love Beorcana, but what I like isn't really the point. I don't think a font exists that could possibly please everybody here. I do think it would be nice for readers if it changed more often, and also be nice if more indie designers chad the opportunity to sponsor fonts over the course of a year. I hope Typeco got some sales from this, but I bet that most people who would have been inspired to buy Super Duty have already done so by now.
I do hope the grousers are kicking in some money to support Typophile themselves.