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Pop quiz rides again
Posted by steve_p in
3 Mar 2004 — 2:35pm
3 Mar 2004 — 2:35pm
What happened to the pop quiz thread?
So, here's a new one...
Start off by getting the year and country of origin of this masthead:
(That's not the whole masthead BTW - more can be revealed if necessary)
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3 Mar 2004 — 2:43pm
Ireland.
3 Mar 2004 — 2:56pm
Close
3 Mar 2004 — 4:04pm
England, 1898?
T
4 Mar 2004 — 12:34am
Closer - right country, but a little older than your guess.
4 Mar 2004 — 4:29am
1764?
4 Mar 2004 — 5:32am
Sorry, not that much older.
Another clue...
4 Mar 2004 — 5:51am
Got it!
The Graphic: An Illustrated Weekly Newspaper
1850-1898
Or do you want an exact date?
Oh, And in a week I'm going to good ole London Town, let me know if there's anything specific I should see. (type-wise.)
4 Mar 2004 — 5:57am
It must be either
1861
1867
1872
1878
1884
or
1895
4 Mar 2004 — 6:11am
Looks like you win Kenn - here's the full masthead...
...and the whole page...
The exact year is 1872, the event is the Agricultural Labourers' strike - the meeting pictured, at Wellesbourne, Warwickshire, was the founding of the first Agricultural Labourers' Union, nearly 40 years after the trial of the Tolpuddle Martyrs.
4 Mar 2004 — 6:16am
The trees have legs.
So do I get to pick the next one?
I really should be working...
4 Mar 2004 — 7:55am
>>The trees have legs
Or maybe the people just have branches?
>>So do I get to pick the next one?
Yes
>>I really should be working...
You don't want to be doing that...no telling where it might lead.
5 Mar 2004 — 4:36am
I'll probably add something tonight.
Tonight CET that is.
5 Mar 2004 — 1:53pm
Ok, what's wrong here?
5 Mar 2004 — 1:56pm
Well, for starters it doesn't have an a-circle. Is it just standard ASL?
5 Mar 2004 — 2:04pm
Oh.
That was too easy then.
It says "Danish Sign language" at the top but lacks the Danish special characters.
6 Mar 2004 — 4:31am
OK, country and year, and for added points, artist:
6 Mar 2004 — 6:43pm
Stumped?
6 Mar 2004 — 7:07pm
Germany, 1815?
Just going back to "The Graphic" for a moment, I was over at Ole Kvern's place today, and discovered that he had a framed front page of it to the side of his entryway.
T
6 Mar 2004 — 9:37pm
A second answer to the sign alphabet one... If it is the ASL alphabet (whether the Danes really use the same one or not), then someone forgot to put in the dotted motion line indicating that Z is not just a pointing finger but a finger drawing a Z in the air.
6 Mar 2004 — 11:17pm
the postcard with the sign language alphabet was sold to me by a guy pretending to be deaf, being a type-geek I pretended not to notice the characters missing.
John, I was going to say German too, but it's in English so I go for
England, early 1900s
7 Mar 2004 — 2:16am
England 1851?
7 Mar 2004 — 8:05am
Kenn's the closest so far. BTW the artist has a well-known font named after him.
7 Mar 2004 — 9:05am
Johnston?
8 Mar 2004 — 1:01pm
This one's a killer...
If it's not Johnston, I'll try the next obvious choice: Gill?
Is it part of the number '2' that's showing after 19?
8 Mar 2004 — 1:11pm
America, 1922.
8 Mar 2004 — 3:01pm
Nathan, very very close. Right on the country, super close on the year. Not Johnson, not Gill.
8 Mar 2004 — 3:25pm
Superstar!
8 Mar 2004 — 6:32pm
I'm pretty sure that's because for advertising, heavy display type was in vogue during that time period. Gotta love the Coop.
10 Mar 2004 — 10:53am
The Gutenberg Bible?
10 Mar 2004 — 11:18am
Speaks good English for a German.
10 Mar 2004 — 11:49am
The Gutenberg Bible was in Latin, and didn't have any Roman text mixed with the blackletter.
The typography looks plausible to be the 1611 King James Bible, though I've never seen a sample, so I don't know. It's hard for me to tell from the small size, but the Roman font and the wording both seem a little late to be from the early 1500s (first English bibles start around 1526). I'm thinking somewhere between 1570 and 1800.
But must get back to work....
T
10 Mar 2004 — 12:08pm
A JPEG?
Kidding...
While I have no basis for the guess, other than knowing it's not the Gutenberg from the English, etc. I would guess the same as Thomas.
However, my guess would be "The King James Bible?" and not the much more dedcutive and insightful version above. I've now exhausted my Bibles Throughout History knowledge.
16 Mar 2004 — 9:05pm
A wild guess...Fust and Sch
17 Mar 2004 — 9:53am
Rich, I've got my Avant Garde ligature specimens at the ready, so hit me with your best shot.
17 Mar 2004 — 10:01am
Oh, is that how this works?
OK...
Name the full lineage of ownership of the Kelmscott Albion Press No 6551
17 Mar 2004 — 10:35am
1891-94: Hopkinson & Cope
1894-96: William Morris
1896-1924: Ashbee's Essex House Press, Old Bourne Press, Pear Tree Press
1924-61: Bertha and Frederic Goudy
1961-2001: Elizabeth and Ben Lieberman
Currently: Jethro K. Lieberman
17 Mar 2004 — 10:43am
Wow, I didn't think anyone knew my cousin has the Kelmscott-Goudy press. It is a very cool piece of equipment. Lots of type luminaries, including Hermann Zapf have, I believe, printed samples on it, as I did as a teenager long years ago.
17 Mar 2004 — 10:49am
> 1891-94: Hopkinson & Cope > 1894-96: William Morris > 1896-1924: Ashbee's Essex House Press, Old Bourne Press, Pear Tree > Press > 1924-61: Bertha and Frederic Goudy > 1961-2001: Elizabeth and Ben Lieberman > Currently: Jethro K. Lieberman >
Missing a few owners in there still :^)
17 Mar 2004 — 10:54am
>Missing a few owners in there still :^)
Darn it. :-/
>as I did as a teenager long years ago.
You can officially consider me jealous, William.
17 Mar 2004 — 2:33pm
OK, only two other owners...
18 Mar 2004 — 1:34pm
I suppose I could go to the library, since no one else seems to know this either.
Does Ashbee's wierd communal guild count as something different than Essex House? And when he went bankrupt, did the bank repo the press?
18 Mar 2004 — 1:51pm
It's not well known and only documented in a few places. hint: Both were between Goudy and Lieberman and during the late 1920s Goudy only had the press for a couple years.
18 Mar 2004 — 4:02pm
I didn't even know the full list... there were even more owners than I thought. I will post the full list in a bit.
Nathan had it mostly correct. I pass the quizmaster hat to him...
18 Mar 2004 — 4:19pm
The life and times of Albion 6551
1891-94: Hopkinson & Cope
1894-96: William Morris
1896-1913: Ashbee's Essex House Press,
1913-20 Washington Herbert Broome- Old Bourne Press
1920: Miss Nellie Platt (Broomes Secretary)
1920-24: James Guthrie -Pear Tree Press
1924-25: Bertha and Frederic Goudy -Village Press
1925-28: Spencer Kellogg -Aries Press
1928-32 (Storage)
1932-1961 Merbert Cary -Press of the Woolly Whale
1961-2001: Elizabeth and Ben Lieberman
Currently: Jethro K. Lieberman
18 Mar 2004 — 7:25pm
Well, that was a pretty ignoble win :-/ And I just barely escaped returning all my overdue material to the Chicago Libraries in order to check out The Liberty Bell on the Kelmscott Goudy Press.
I find that I'm horrifying at coming up with quizzes, but here's my offering. Name the artist, publication, and date.
18 Mar 2004 — 7:26pm
Incidentally, I'm on my way out. I'll be back in about 12 hours.
18 Mar 2004 — 8:30pm
WAD, The Ship Earth, 1944
19 Mar 2004 — 6:17am
Rich, wasn't the full title The Crew of the Ship "Earth"?
-- K.
19 Mar 2004 — 6:48am
I concede to Kent...it is
19 Mar 2004 — 9:16am
They kinda look like the Monkees.