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I'm thinking Coke Cola or Guiness. What do you think and why?
Strange how the original can sometimes dissapear in obscurity & be exceeded in its fame by a blatent copy. I have never seen the British one & I didn't know Uncle Sam was just a rip-off.
aah ok thanks :) I'm actually looking into that but I need to look further into Russian Constructivm and the colours red, white and black. I see there's an extensive amount of those colours used in propoganda posters.
Two famous British posters preceeded the "Uncle Sam Wants You" version.
OK, sorry. I looked into Marxism so yup, I know what it is now and it Wikipedia really reliable? I was told not :(
Right, right right...I have had enough of critisisms. As if my whole dissertation is going to ocme out of answers from Typophile. I just like to know what people think and feel is the best advertising campaign ever. That's all. I'm just looking to see what kind of advertising is valued by you guys. What's wrong with that and previous questions...well, well, well not as if I have asked you to do my dissertation for me have I? I addressed you with my whole dissertation plan and asked opinions on what people thought and if they would add anything to my endless list. About the Mickey mouse and swastika: Well, atleast it got a majority of people looking at something that seems totally opposite yet they are so close in relation in a wierd way so am I really that bad? Why do people on here think it's OK to bully some student just beacuse they may be at the height of their career, does not mean to say they have the right to bully someone lower than them in that field. What do you want me to say? SORRY I AM A STUDENT?!?! *rolling eyes*.
Thanks for that Norbet. I have never seen the Briton one before. See, we learn new things everyday and my time on Typophile is making me into a typo/design geek! :D It's good! haha!
Errrrrr... that's Norbert BTW ;^)
'Islam seems to be picking up ground'
Hmmm...that's just your personal view right? Everyone has a right to express their views but Islam has always been strong. It;s only because of 9/11 and Iraq and terrorism blamed on Muslims that seems to be 'picking up' well. It always has done. Well, that's what I think.
I clearly remember reading a seminal report in the 90s that Islam was the fastest growing religion. I wouldn't be surprised if that triggered a massive covert mobilization against Islam among those of opposing faiths, and that in fact is what's causing all the trouble lately. Well, that and the Capitalist obsession with enslaving/consuming the world.
and that in fact is what’s causing all the trouble lately. Well, that and the Capitalist obsession with enslaving/consuming the world.
Hrant, has it ever occurred to you to seek treatment for paranoid schizophrenia?
Travel, travel, travel.
If you've been mixing Coca-Cola and Guiness, no wonder you've lost your giggles. I still think you're having us on
What was that drink I had in Leipzig, that mixes coke and beer?
Mormonism is the fastest growing religion, or so I hear. Having a lot of kids and prosletyzing seems more effective than ad campaigns when it comes to faith.
Mormon ad campaigns are pretty strong. They advertise on TV all the time. I just stopped at a historical site in Utah that had a "free" tour and it turned out that the site was owned by the LDS church and the tour was led by a Mormon missionary who was very careful not to be blatant but was just waiting for an opening to do his "thing". It was actually very interesting.
Coke and beer is popular in Sardinia. Don't remember the name of the drink though…
MsGiggles - Your statement where you quote me about Islam is a form of unjust persecution. I said nothing negative about Islam. I just believe at this time it is probably the fastest growing religion in the world.
If you don't want to get persecuted unjustly then desist from that activity.
BTW - I am on your side - you can ask any question you want in any form you want and I have absolutely no problem with it. I hope the same is true for my answers to your questions. Of course there are limits…
I don't believe it organized (Hrant might think otherwise) but the snowball effect of the campaign for capitalism has no equal, ever.
I hope you're not a fan of ad campaigns MsGiggles because makng people think they need something that's unnecessary is a real tragedy.
Now on to the next campaign… :)
> ... the second most famous poster of all time after the “Uncle Sam wants you” poster
Thanks for filling a huge gap in my culture, Norbert. I was completely unaware of these campaigns & have always considered similar things to be a copy of the Uncle Sam version (which they might actually be if I'm not the only one who was unaware of the British versions).
> I don’t believe it organized
Not organized in the conventional sense, certainly. The thing is, when the
shared objective is so straight-forward, you don't really need meetings.
So the Great Golden Greed Illuminati is a myth? Maybe George Lucas should make a movie… :)
True nomads couldn't accumulate that much - they moved too often - and the chiefs depended on their tribesmen a lot more directly than agrarian societies. Of course there was always Genghis Khan…
Metaphorically it is the story of Abel and Cain - the shepherd and the farmer.
peas & carrots
Indeed: Society = Injustice
But this is what we are.
ooops Norbert with an R :D
About being a fan of advertising campaigns, well...i'm not a fan of lying and making people buy certain items they don't need but my tutor says I am good at advertising so erm...I don't like pursuading people but what am I meant to do when I'm good at something I don't really know if I should be doing :O uh huh? What do you guys/women think? Not as if I'm literally putting items in their trolleys haha! OMG! Now you have mentioned it Paul, I'm starting to feel guilty!
Dangerous Gasses indeed!
My vote for the most successful *PR* campaign is Scientology. They have some of the world's highest-profile celebrity endorsers, whom the Scientolgists not only are not paying, the Scientologists are actually being paid by the spokespeople. Talk about an advertising dream deal.
> Now you have mentioned it Paul, I’m starting to feel guilty!
I'm in advertising and don't feel guilty about it - but I also know that it is nothing more than propaganda. I am not deluded about the machine I work for and it's ethics.
Yet - I'm lucky that I get to do something creative for a living in this society that I have never quite felt a part of.
All lives are compromised - I was reminded of this recently when a friend of mine had a "break". His subconscious came bubbling forth without constraints from the social contract. It was a very confusing thing for him and I believe he will learn something valuable from it.
"Why do people on here think it’s OK to bully some student just beacuse they may be at the height of their career, does not mean to say they have the right to bully someone lower than them in that field. What do you want me to say? SORRY I AM A STUDENT?!?! *rolling eyes*."
dear, i'm probably old enough to be your gran.
you might find it useful to show some respect. if you ever want to get a job, you might want to think of this place as somewhere that you might find someone who would hire you.
i've looked at some of your postings and if you ever applied for a job with our company, i wouldn't pay you to clean the loo. you are very rude.
why are you want to tell people they are stupid when they are trying to help you? i don't understand this. when i was your age, i was polite, and you do not seem to know that sometimes when you are starting out, you need to say 'please' and 'thank you' to people who share what they know.
i haven't seen you do this. all you do is tell people they are mean. they are quite polite until you tell them they are useless. you may not have noticed but they are also starting to make fun of you. when people start to make fun of you, it is because they are not taking you seriously.
you might want to reconsider why you are doing this.
my grandkids tell me that the standards we had here in england are not what they used to be. from seeing what you write, they may be correct.
i am old, and it is late here. but i would like to think that young people can still do what is right.
Try viewing miss giggles as a 25-year old, cigar-smoking man just having fun by seeing what you'll say in response to outrageous or provocative statements. I could be wrong, but that's the only interpretation I can make to fit what goes on in these posts -- or the (her?) icon.
Sorry Edna if you feel that way? Does anyone on here say thank you though? I haven't seen many people use their P's and Q's eitehr mind you so erm...is it only apparent because I may be the youngest on Typophile or am I really that rude? What about everyone else who are older? Arn't they meant to be role models to someone young like me. I don't want to go on any further beacuse it isn't worth it. Sorry Edna and I am grateful for everyone's comments and answers. I very much appreciate it. Thank you.
About all the accusations addressed to Miss Giggles, I can only quote someone else in this thread by making it clear none of us are obligated to respond to her questions. I'll just leave you all with one question: has it ever occured to anyone Miss Giggles might not be the lazy student a lot of people here seem to think, but merely a devoted student who is only trying to open her mind to other people's opinions? Since when is devotion & being eager to learn a crime? It's a matter of giving someone the benifit of the doubt. People may accuse her of being rude, but I've seen Miss Giggles pop up in many threads now & I was never under the impression she was lazy or rude. And even if she would be, that just might be a simple case of action/reaction. I like her threads & I have seen a lot of similar questions posted on Typophile by non-students. Don't use her position against her, we all started at the bottom & I can only encourage her to keep taking part in discussion & posting new threads. I see this as a passion for the subject & an interest in her fellow Typophilers. If anything, I'm flattered to see someone validates my opinion.
There are plenty of students who frequent this forum and I don't think anybody here would discourage them from asking questions. To suggest that is the case is insulting, unnecessary, and untrue.
Pattyfab, I'm not sure if your comment is directed at me, but in case it is reread this thread & you'll see there have been quite a number of accusations made against Miss Giggles. If your comment was not a response to my post, just ignore this one ;-)
Patricia, no White House Press Conference lingo, please.
As a teacher, I think that anything, anything at all, is better
than a Silent Student, which sadly is the norm in our society.
Ill Sans, yes, my comment was directed at yours. I'm not stooping to a flame war - I've had enough of the two of you on the enfant terrible thread. I just didn't like the implication that this forum is hostile to students. Yes, there have been (in your words) accusations against giggles, but it has nothing to do with her being a student. I would never want to discourage inquiry - and hope I speak for others in saying that. But students need to know how to learn as well as to ask questions.
I think you and Hrant ought to get out more.
Pattyfab, the accusations some people made here were literally indicating that Miss Giggles (ab)used the forum to get her assignments done. All I did was stand up for her & if you read this page alone, you'll clearly notice I'm not the one who's hostile here.
I’m not anti milk. I just don’t like the stuff.
have you never had ice cream or gelato?
Please can we not start World War 3. If people do not like my threads or my manners or my attitude or personality or the way I may portray myself on Typophile, then that is perfectly fine by me. You don't have to talk to me or post on my threads or even glance at my threads but you do so thank you ever so much :) I kindly appreciate everyone's opinions, ideas and views. It's only when people go too far as to, in one post make me feel as though I was responsible for someone's poor dog passing away. Now, that is way beyond preportion. So is that acceptable? No! Then I just have to defend myself and backfire when necessary. Other than that, i don't really understand what i do wrong and if I have done wrong in the past, then I ask for forgiveness and I am sorry but for the times when it wasn't even my fault, i'm not going to say sorry because I haven't done anything wrong and don't need to feel guilty about anything I havn't even done! :)
Well put, MissGiggles!
Thanks for the support Ill Sans. I actually feel ill when people treat me like that. it puts me off and made me cry once but nevermind. I'm not really the person people think I am behind here but nevermind. We meet all kinds of people in our lives. We just have to adapt I guess sometimes or just ignore which is actually really really hard :)
You're welcome, MissGiggles. I didn't want to make any comment on this at first (as you can read from Pattyfab's post I'm already entangled in a web of misinterpretations & (false*) accusations in another thread), but I just couldn't take the injustice anymore & at one point I actually felt ill in your place as well. But like you said, you meet all kinds of people in your life.
My advice is to try and see all this as a learning school as well, that might help you to deal better with it & -I don't want to scare you off now ;-) - prepare you for similar misinterpretations you'll often have to deal with in graphic design. Sure, a picture can say more than a thousand words, but the more words it says the more room it leaves for misinterpretation... Every explanation is an open invitation to misinterpretation. Just stand your ground & absorb the comments that you find appropriate & helpful.
BTW: I really enjoy your threads which are usually just about personal taste/interpretations. It's nice to see what other people can come up with & you can learn a lot from those replies (the Uncle Sam poster is a great example). It's also nice as a reminder; you often "forget" things and when someone else posts it here it can bring back nice memories.
Keep up the good work & good luck with your studies!
*some people will surely disagree with this word hence the use of parens
One of the most valuable - and painful - lessons I learned as a student was that if you are hearing the same comments/criticisms over and over again, perhaps it is worth paying attention to them, rather than assuming everyone else is wrong and/or out to get you.
I agree you can learn about more than just type on this forum.
Pattyfab, your last post wouln't be completely out of place in a different thread (you know which one I mean).
> you are hearing the same comments/criticisms over and over again
But she's also hearing the opposite over and over again.
So maybe it's a reflection not on her, but on us.
MissGiggles - I can relate! Especially about the "World war 3" comment. :-) And I've also felt bullied to the point of feeling truly sad, particularly since this was supposed to be a fun, positive thing. I don't think people intentionally decides to join a forum just to create a negative and aggressive situation. I assume most of us do it because we want to be inspired, learn things and/or get some help, often in an area where we have little or no expertis.
And naturally one should show gratitude to every single person who has taken the energy and time to share his/hers opinion and/or advice. But speaking from my own experience with the whole enfant terrible mess, I feel that it hasn't been okay to say "thank you but no thank you" when an idea has been presented to me that I didn't like. Just because I don't feel something is right for me doesn't take anything away from that person's creativity or intelligence. Some suggestions to my particular problem have been absolutely brilliant and I could see them working perfectly in a different context, but not in mine.
A lot of people in this forum say "if you put yourself out there and start a thread and ask for advice, you'd better be prepared to get criticized and get some harsh comments". But what about the other way around? If people share their idea/advice/opinion with the person who started the thread, shouldn't they be as prepared for criticism or rejection? And shouldn't they be able to take it without getting irritated or angry?
>...if you are hearing the same comments/criticisms over and over again, perhaps it is worth paying attention to them, rather than assuming everyone else is wrong and/or out to get you.
In general I totally agree with Pattyfab, don't know enough about MissGiggles to say that it applies on her, but in this thread I don't think she has behaved badly at all. But I do think this is mostly true when it comes to how people behave, not necessarily about their opinions.
> your last post wouln’t be completely out of place in a different thread (you know which one I mean).
I assume that you're talking about me and my thread, if you're not, I apologize. :-) But Tom, if you're talking about my thread, can't you see that you have a little bit of a double standard here? Apparently MissGiggles have gotten a lot of critic so how come Pattyfab's comment doesn't apply to MissGiggles but to me? Shouldn't she be able "to do the math" like I've been told? In all fairness, what's the difference?
I've learned my lesson to limit my replies to "MissGiggles" topics.
Now, if the topic interests me, or if I have something useful to add, I will generally post an "informational" reply with reference links and/or visual examples. It's up to all readers to take it from there.
Whenever I had posted an "opinion" or displayed a little humor, things went sour real fast.
Charlotta, the difference is that your idea of what an enfant terrible is has clouded your ability to do the math. It was pretty clear from the beginning you had no intentions of taking any given advice into account (you've clearly stated so yourself that it was your interpretation that mattered and none of us could make you change your mind about that). The math problem in your thread was not about anything personal (as it is here), but trying to make you see that it didn't matter what you -or any other single person for that matter- thought of an enfant terrible, but it is (or at least should be if you want to be an entrepreneur) about what your potential customers think of it. I simply said that -if the Typophile board is at all a little representive for society- you should've made the conclusion from your own comment that the majority linked it to things you didn't find appropriate for your jewelry that maybe enfant terrible might not be the best chosen name for your jewelry line.
The difference is that Miss Giggles has not commented in a negative way about the replies she got from people who were also only trying to help her.
The difference is that Miss Giggles seems to have (I don't want to make any more assumptions here) an open mind which sadly could not be said from you. In all your raving about being independent you conveniently forgot that 1. you asked for our opinions, but didn't take any of them into account since you were determined about your ideas from the start (which makes one wonder why you reached out for help) because you "are" an enfant terrible & independent & 2. after over 200 replies & repeatedly having said you are new to all this, you dismiss all advice as unsuitable ideas, but the fact that there's a major difference between advice & ideas never accured to you.
About the double standard, I think that only apllies to Pattyfab here. She accused me of making untrue accusations when -again- I was merely being analytical & observative. Too bad she lacks Lore's "sense of humour" or maybe she could see the irony in all this.
Sorry MissGiggles that even here the enfant terrible mess got the better of some of us, but I think no one can accuse me of throwing the first stone this time.
> an open mind which sadly could not be said from you...
That's interesting how you can defend a person who feels like she's been bullied and in the same thread you're being a bully to someone else. Be respectful enough to reply to a respectful message in the same manner. At least. And as for the rest. You still don't have a clue what you're talking about. I'd written you a very long email filled with apologies and explanations so that you would understand me better and we could be friends. Now I am glad you didn't receive it. Especially since you've been nice to me the last couple of days and then you write a comment like that about me in another thread? That's pretty much stabbing me in the back. Maybe you should be a bit more careful about what you criticize Lore for.
Get this through your head: nobody cares enough to stab you in the back!
Go ruin your own thread.
Charlotta, for my reply, go back to your thread (*). At least that way you won't accuse me again of stabbing you in the back & we don't have to ruin MissGiggles' thread anymore.
That message wasn't for you and it was not in your place to make a comment. But as usual you impose yourself and give your unsolicited comments or insults left and right. You've made quite a name for yourself around here. As a bully. Are you proud of that? Does that make you feel good? Was it your ambition in life to grow up to be a jerk? My guess is that you probably were the person who were bullied and now you take it out on innocent people. I've said it before - it is not possible - in any conceivable way - that a happy, harmonious and self-secure person would behave like you do.
And I think you are absolutely right - I don't think anyone cares about me in this forum, but do you know what? I luckily have people who care about me in real life and isn't that what really matters. The question is, do you?
Travel, travel, travel. But make the journey inside yourself and see if you can't find a shred of common decency and kindness somewhere. And grow a back bone, for crying out loud. If you're going to continue to harrass people and be mean and insulting at least have the balls to show your face or your name or where you're coming from.
Charlotta, please just go make some jewelry.