Similar to Neutraface, but allows for web embedding

Miss Tiffany's picture

Suggestions?

John Nolan's picture

Well, Futura from Adobe allows editable embedding, the Futuras from ScanGraphic, EF and Bitstream allow read only embedding, as does Lanston's 20th Century.

aluminum's picture

What do you mean by "web embedding"?

HTML font embedding is a fad/idea that has come and gone. It's not a practical option anymore.

Or are you referring to PDF/Flash embedding?

Miss Tiffany's picture

I was referring to Flash/SiFR. But, the client has decided to stick with Neutraface so we will only use it in static images. Thanks guys.

aluminum's picture

What's with foundries not allowing embedding? Absurd.

John Nolan's picture

What's with people buying from foundries that don't allow embedding?

Friends don't let friends buy fonts they can't use!

blank's picture

What’s with foundries not allowing embedding? Absurd.

To be fair, most foundries will allow embedding, but with a different licenses and cost structures than are allowed when a font is licensed for use in print.

aluminum's picture

"What’s with people buying from foundries that don’t allow embedding?"

Touche!

So, who's willing to make the first embeddable Neutraface knock-off? I'm thatt person will garner equal amounts of praise and hatred from the type community. ;o)

"To be fair, most foundries will allow embedding, but with a different licenses and cost structures than are allowed when a font is licensed for use in print."

Meh. OK, fine. I'll grant them that one. But it's still absurd, IMHO. Why should the substrate change the license? (That said, I concede that that is not an uncommon concept especially when you look at licensed stock photography and the like...)

Miss Tiffany's picture

It comes down to two things, I think. (Based on recent EULA research.)

1. Many foundries do not trust the current technology to protect their IP.
2. All businesses have the right to determine what their fonts are worth and in what instances the fonts become worth more.

Yeah, sad, but I don't charge based on the project, necessarily, either. I charge by what the client needs too.

John Nolan's picture

"most foundries will allow embedding, but with a different license"...

Yes, but an embedding license for House fonts which allows for general use adds a fee of $150 PER YEAR for each font, so an embedding license for the full range of Neutraface fonts means you would be paying an additional $2,250 PER YEAR, over the original one time cost of $249.

That's a very different license, "to be fair" !

I'm not saying that they shouldn't charge that fee, I'm just saying I wouldn't pay it, I'd buy something else. They're clearly not trying to sell to small time operators like me.

blank's picture

So, who’s willing to make the first embeddable Neutraface knock-off?

Anyone who can knock off Christian Schwartz probably has better things to do. His curves are better than Mamie Van Doren’s!

charles ellertson's picture

To be fair, most foundries will allow embedding, but with a different licenses and cost structures than are allowed when a font is licensed for use in print.

Here is one from column B: All the book printers I know require the fonts in the PDF (sent to them for printing) to be embedded. Usually subsetting is OK. So, the *unembeddable fonts* can't be used for printing either, except I guess on your personal laser/inkjet printer.

As the man said; "Friends don't let friends buy such things."

benkiel's picture

Just to clear up any confusion about our license:

If you look at our licensing pricing page, you'll see that "our base license does, however, allow you to embed fonts in a .pdf to be sent to a service bureau or printer." Where we do charge extra is for cases when one is using the fonts in a PDF document that is sent out for distribution (as in the case of a PDF newsletter). If the text is non-editable, then it is either 10 cents per PDF sent, or a flat fee of $150 dollars for the year. John is correct that this is per font. However it is just for the fonts used in the PDF document, so I doubt that one would run into the case of having to embed every font in the Neutraface family into a PDF. Also note, that the yearly fee is the one that is re-occurring, and only if you are still distributing PDFs with the font in it.

For PDFs that are editable, we treat the PDF file like a raster device, meaning that one does need to have a license for each PDF. This is licensed at our multiple device site license pricing schedule (which gives a very healthy discount to multiple licenses).

For Flash, we judge the fee on a case by case basis, though in general this is free for static text (meaning text that isn't being edited by a user, not text that is moving around the screen) and with a fee for a font being embedded as 'dynamic' text. Call us and we'll be more than happy to help you out.

Miss Tiffany's picture

Thanks Ben. I should've made that point right away. I didn't mean this to turn into a negative thread. I respect the EULA which came with my license of Neutraface and that is why I was searching for an alternative in the even that my client thought they might like some sort of embedding which might be questionable.

aluminum's picture

"it is either 10 cents per PDF sent"

Crazy. More power to you guys if it works, though...

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