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Hypatia Sans shipping
Posted by Thomas Phinney in
16 Apr 2007 — 4:42pm
16 Apr 2007 — 4:42pm
My new typeface Hypatia Sans is available now as a registration incentive with Creative Suite 3 and the various individual CS3 products. More information and links are available here from my blog: http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2007/04/hypatia_sans.html
(I'll be posting something about Arno as soon as they fix a typo on its main page.) :)
Cheers,
T
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16 Apr 2007 — 4:47pm
Unfortunately, I get an error 404. :(
16 Apr 2007 — 4:50pm
Is this where it should've went?
http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/landing/hypatia/hypatia.html
16 Apr 2007 — 4:51pm
Wow. A geometric sans with Trajanesque flavor. I can't wait to actually use it!
16 Apr 2007 — 5:05pm
Congrats, Thomas -- looks great!
16 Apr 2007 — 5:15pm
Sorry, I left out a ".html" there - I've fixed the link in the original post.
Cheers,
T
16 Apr 2007 — 5:20pm
Congrats. Looks well-made.
hhp
16 Apr 2007 — 5:38pm
Congratulations Thomas! You're now officially a Typophile Rock Star :^)
16 Apr 2007 — 5:44pm
> Is this where it should’ve went?
http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/landing/hypatia/hypatia.html
That one works, but I think Thomas meant this one
http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2007/04/hypatia_sans.html
16 Apr 2007 — 5:56pm
I did mean the one to my blog - which has a link to that other main page as well. :)
Sorry I've been URL-challenged today. URL in original post is now fixed.
Cheers,
T
16 Apr 2007 — 11:20pm
Hooray, Thomas, this looks fantastic. It's such a welcome new voice in the category. I'm very intrigued with the feeling or evocations when it's used at different sizes. You managed to balance all those shapes with grand proportions and you even kept the little serifs. Quite a lot of nice work. Congratulations.
17 Apr 2007 — 12:20am
Thanks for all the kind words. I should also point out that Miguel Sousa did a ton of production work, *and* did most of the kerning (with considerable help from Robert Slimbach on kerning).
Thanks, Miguel. I'm glad it's out the door, because I was really worried about the amount of sleep you were (not) getting in those last few weeks.
Cheers,
T
17 Apr 2007 — 2:37am
Thomas, this is beautiful! I just commented on your blog, listing all of the ways that I love the design. No need for me to really repeat that here, except that I should add that I am delighted to see any light shine on Kabel, as opposed to Futura, whose legacy might well have been in the spotlight enough by now. Just great! And with so many great details and features…
17 Apr 2007 — 5:00am
Thomas, the font is very refreshing. Every day we could say everything is invented but this is another example of new air.
17 Apr 2007 — 11:16am
Dan: Yes, I'm a big fan of Kabel myself. I'll be the first to admit that Futura is more useful, but I love the flavor of Kabel. I don't think Hypatia Sans is terribly similar to either (except in being a geometric sans), but I wanted to have more flavor than Futura and be more versatile than Kabel. We'll see if real world users think I succeeded at that.
Cheers,
T
19 Apr 2007 — 1:01pm
I'm really looking forward to seeing this one in use. It has been great to see it take shape. It really is another great geometric sans with just enough quirkiness to make it more than just another staple for your font collection.
One of the things which makes Hypatia special, ISFAIC, are the stylistic sets. Thomas has added plenty of variations to please all of us.
Congratulations, T!
19 Apr 2007 — 1:33pm
Nice job, Thomas. I had only a vague idea what you were working on--some kind of geometric sans. I wasn't expecting something with such a period feel. Is that a one-character stylistic set I'm seeing? :-)
21 Apr 2007 — 12:45pm
The font looks great Thomas! Congratulations. I can't wait to try it. I've registered Design Premium from within Photoshop CS3, but haven't received the email. It's been 2 days. Does anyone know how long it takes to receive the link to the font? Has anyone else received their link?
21 Apr 2007 — 2:07pm
Last time I heard, the e-mails were not being sent out yet.
Another thing to be aware of is that the email message may be caught by spam filters, and end up in the junk box.
23 Apr 2007 — 8:58pm
Well, if you’re going to do a new geometric sans, you might as well make it gorgeous. I can see why Adobe used it as a registration incentive!
23 Apr 2007 — 9:10pm
> Well, if you’re going to do a new geometric sans, you might as well make it gorgeous. I can see why Adobe used it as a registration incentive!
Because Hypatia Sans is gorgeous?!
24 Apr 2007 — 8:08am
Because Hypatia Sans is gorgeous?!
Well, yeah. I know a lot of people who never registered to get Garamond Premier Pro because it was just another Garamond. Hypatia is much, much cooler than Garamond.
24 Apr 2007 — 11:31am
Seriously, Hypatia Sans is great. Never was a fan of Futura, but I am particularly impressed by the non-seriffed 'n' etc alternates and the round 'a' which in combination turn Hypatia into a 'better Futura', a clear and at the same time minutely playful geometric sans. (In German I'd speak of 'leiser humor' -- 'quiet humor'.)
24 Apr 2007 — 12:31pm
Congradulations Thomas! You must be quite proud! I was particularly struck by the way the Cyrillic & Greek don't seem* to suffer next to the Roman. They all look great together. Thanks for making a great font but also for a great example of the use of Opentype.
*I say 'seem' because I no authority on either of them.
28 Apr 2007 — 11:14pm
I believe the registration incentive emails finally started going out on the 25th. If you have registered Creative Suite 3 or any CS3 application and didn't get one, do check your spam filter.
Thanks for all the kind words. I'm not sure I'm "proud" as yet, but I am at least reasonably sure it doesn't suck. :)
Cheers,
T
29 Apr 2007 — 8:19am
I got mine on the 24th.
It feels a little bit like Serif Gothic, but more tasteful. I love that there are so many alternate glyphs. I think I prefer the ones that are most Futura-like, but it's nice to have so many options. The weight range is very nicely modulated--the boldest weight looks just as balanced as the lighter weights. Really nice.
29 Apr 2007 — 8:33am
> I’m not sure I’m “proud” as yet
Yet? Pride in one's font invariably goes down over time, not up...
But I'm betting you're plenty proud - as you should be!
hhp
29 Apr 2007 — 10:15am
"it doesn’t suck"
Thomas, stop saying this. It's beneath you and not at all appropriate for your accomplishment.
29 Apr 2007 — 6:32pm
Congrats Thomas, nice work, and a lot of ideas about what constitutes a font/typeface., exploring the OT format.
It'll be interesting to see how the OT features get picked up.
Nothing wrong with modesty. And if not pride, I bet you get a kick out of seeing it in use.
1 May 2007 — 10:53am
Here's one of Hypatia Sans' features: Stylistic Set 12 replaces Ä, Ï, Ö and Ü by "display" versions where the umlaut/dieresis diacritics are positioned at the cap height. The coolest aspect of this feature, IMO, is the solution that Thomas used for the Udieresis on the Black weight, which has historical precedents, as he told me.
Although this feature is most suitable for when setting Germany texts, the feature was implemented in a way that does not restrict its usage to the German language.
1 May 2007 — 10:58am
It would be useful for such a stylistic set to also sub in non-descending versions of "J" and "Q", since saving on linespacing is really the main point of lowering accents.
hhp
1 May 2007 — 11:02am
Hypatia could look lovely on a retro travel poster!
1 May 2007 — 6:04pm
> “it doesn’t suck”
Thomas, stop saying this. It’s beneath you and not at all appropriate for your accomplishment.
Yes Thomas, it's better you stop saying that, because that phrase is registered by Bare Bones Software: http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
1 May 2007 — 6:27pm
Oh Miguel! You made me chuckle...
2 May 2007 — 1:18pm
> It would be useful for such a stylistic set to also sub in non-descending versions of “J” and “Q”, since saving on linespacing is really the main point of lowering accents.
You can get the non-descending 'J' by activating Stylistic Set #9.
There is no non-descending version of 'Q'; Stylistic Set #10 replaces the default form by another one with a longer and lower tail.
2 May 2007 — 1:24pm
Cool. Shame about the "Q" though.
But pretty clever adding a serif on the non-descending "J".
BTW, is there a way to link sets? What I mean is activate "Tight
Lines Mode" or something and have sets 9 and 10 both kick in?
hhp
2 May 2007 — 3:16pm
BTW, is there a way to link sets?
if i'm not mistaken, you can do this with style sheets in InDesign.
2 May 2007 — 10:35pm
Yes, you can do that. Now do the math and you'll see how many potential combinations you can have. That is the genius, as I see it, in using stylistic sets. You can really allow the typographer to fine tune the type.
3 May 2007 — 9:58am
Man, I'm late to the party! Congratulations Thomas, looks great!
3 May 2007 — 12:00pm
can Hypatia be purchased separately from CS3? I'm browsing the Adobe site, and can't seem to find any links to actually purchase the typeface.
4 May 2007 — 9:32am
available now as a registration incentive
A classy alternative to bundling, changing perceptions of value.
Take note, Microsoft and Apple.
5 May 2007 — 8:02pm
Paul: Currently, we intend to wait until the Hypatia Sans italics are done before making the typeface available as a regular retail item. Don't hold your breath, as I haven't started in on the italics seriously yet. Too much other pre-CS4 planning going on right now, and the echoes of CS3 still going on.
Mark: I'll confess to a secret liking for Serif Gothic, ever since I first noticed it as the titling typeface for the boardgame "Empires of the Middle Ages" back in high school.
Miguel: I am about 3/4 sure the idea for the vertical dots on the black Udieresis.alt was somebody else's suggestion. Darned if I can remember whose, though. Robert, or maybe one of our beta testers or somebody I showed the typeface to? I gather from your comment it wasn't your idea. :)
Carl, Miguel: Okay, I'll stop saying "it doesn't suck." Jim Felici was bugging me about that one, too. Be warned that you might see that phrase crop up in an interview I already did months ago for CreativePro.com, though.
Wait a minute, if "it doesn't suck" "isn't at all appropriate for [my] accomplishment," are you saying it *does* suck? Darn, that's disappointing.... :)
Cheers,
T
5 May 2007 — 8:53pm
I have this vague memory of either Paul H, Dan R or Adam T pointing out (or at least discussing with others) "creative" umlauts on caps, including the internal vertical configuration. Even more vaguely I remember examples by either Kapr or Reiner with such accents. In any case you can be pretty sure that some German(s) had the idea decades ago.
hhp
6 May 2007 — 12:36pm
http://typophile.com/node/9373
7 May 2007 — 11:33pm
I registered here at typophile just to say I'm very excited for Hypatia to be available independent of CS3.
14 May 2007 — 10:50pm
Nick, that's a cool thread, but doesn't show the vertical umlaut for the U. But I'm the first to say that I don't think I came up with the idea independently.
Cheers,
T
4 May 2008 — 5:59am
the vertical umlaut for the U
Hi Thomas,
here’s one example. And: Hypatia really is a blast. Congratulations!
5 May 2008 — 7:46pm
Why no italics?
5 May 2008 — 10:32pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stewf/18634518/
hhp
6 May 2008 — 3:22am
Because doing them takes some time.
7 May 2008 — 9:33pm
'struth. They are increasingly close to done, and I am working on them some this week, but they suffer from two problems:
1) I'm working on too many other things.
2) Zeno's Arrow
Cheers,
T