Oh, and it's also a secondary golden section. The picture was developed by Jan Tschihold when he was trying to find the formula that was used on incunabula.
The diagonal red line where it crosses the diagonal black line indicates the left corner of your type/illustration box, send a horizontal line across and stop at the next diagonal, send a vertical line down until it meets another diagonal etc etc.
I generally use this model (in green on my avatar, known as the Villard diagram) to draw my text frame, then round out the margins to whole numbers, raise the top margin a bit, lower the bottom margin somewhat, and, finally, shift the frame 1pica towards the outside edge to account for the binding.
I'll take back, or at least qualify, my comments. I actually do like these proportions for reasonably-sized books (larger than mass-market paperback). I think the size of the gif on my screen (the size of a miniature book) was what set me off.
The red line shows that the golden ratio section also accounts for the left corner. The red lines start at the point defined by the golden ratio. It's just making the relationship clear.
For those nice, classical gutter margins: Just make sure the book will be Smythe-sewn. If it is perfect-bound or even notch bound, your readers will be digging the text out of the gutter.
My roommate in college was a huge numbers freak, seriously, he had a man-crush on Fibonacci (and a large poster of him in his room!)
I've always been interested in how the Golden Ratio and Fibonacci's number sequence interacted with elements of design. This is a great example.
Jason, I was wondering what your Avatar was, I could see the Golden Ratio on the left, but hadn't a clue what was represented on the right. Thanks for clearing that up. Is there a link to a larger version somewhere?
My sketch is just a quick combination of diagrams from a few different sources, mainly Tschichold (The Form of the Book) and Bringhurst, but that PDF looks quite good as well.
I use that somtimes, but usually I have to increase the inside margins quite a bit.
I guess it works if you use a binding method that allows a book to lie open flat.
1 Mar 2007 — 11:24am
It shows where the top left corner of the text is placed.
1 Mar 2007 — 11:26am
Oh, and it's also a secondary golden section. The picture was developed by Jan Tschihold when he was trying to find the formula that was used on incunabula.
1 Mar 2007 — 11:28am
The diagonal red line where it crosses the diagonal black line indicates the left corner of your type/illustration box, send a horizontal line across and stop at the next diagonal, send a vertical line down until it meets another diagonal etc etc.
1 Mar 2007 — 11:29am
It gives the gutter margin. This one looks a bit anemic to me. It might work with a largish book.
1 Mar 2007 — 11:30am
or what dsgoen said (i should read before i post)
1 Mar 2007 — 11:33am
I generally use this model (in green on my avatar, known as the Villard diagram) to draw my text frame, then round out the margins to whole numbers, raise the top margin a bit, lower the bottom margin somewhat, and, finally, shift the frame 1pica towards the outside edge to account for the binding.
1 Mar 2007 — 11:39am
I'll take back, or at least qualify, my comments. I actually do like these proportions for reasonably-sized books (larger than mass-market paperback). I think the size of the gif on my screen (the size of a miniature book) was what set me off.
1 Mar 2007 — 11:48am
thanks
1 Mar 2007 — 11:52am
Golden ratio and Fibonacci numbers are great start for developing grid, type areas and other.
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1 Mar 2007 — 11:58am
The red line shows that the golden ratio section also accounts for the left corner. The red lines start at the point defined by the golden ratio. It's just making the relationship clear.
1 Mar 2007 — 12:06pm
For those nice, classical gutter margins: Just make sure the book will be Smythe-sewn. If it is perfect-bound or even notch bound, your readers will be digging the text out of the gutter.
1 Mar 2007 — 12:06pm
I was trying to explain it to someone else, and as I was doing so, realized the significance of the red line....thanks again
1 Mar 2007 — 12:10pm
My roommate in college was a huge numbers freak, seriously, he had a man-crush on Fibonacci (and a large poster of him in his room!)
I've always been interested in how the Golden Ratio and Fibonacci's number sequence interacted with elements of design. This is a great example.
Jason, I was wondering what your Avatar was, I could see the Golden Ratio on the left, but hadn't a clue what was represented on the right. Thanks for clearing that up. Is there a link to a larger version somewhere?
1 Mar 2007 — 12:17pm
Charles, how much do you correct--how much added to the gutter--for the different types of bindings?
1 Mar 2007 — 12:17pm
1 Mar 2007 — 12:29pm
That's just freakin sweet looking! Thanks
1 Mar 2007 — 4:50pm
Ow yeah! Now that's cool :-) Had already been scouting the internet to find a magnified version of your avatar; this just made it 1000x easier :-).
While searching though, I found this: The Typesetting Area (PDF, 216KiB), courtesy The Dutch TeX user group website.
1 Mar 2007 — 9:35pm
My sketch is just a quick combination of diagrams from a few different sources, mainly Tschichold (The Form of the Book) and Bringhurst, but that PDF looks quite good as well.
2 Mar 2007 — 12:04am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canons_of_page_construction
5 Mar 2007 — 5:49am
I use that somtimes, but usually I have to increase the inside margins quite a bit.
I guess it works if you use a binding method that allows a book to lie open flat.
10 Mar 2007 — 2:02pm
I think we have a spammer: sunyapeng2006
Every topic he's responded too has been about some World of Warcraft thing.
10 Mar 2007 — 6:14pm
Yep, it's copied posts from others, reposted with WoW-crap underneath.