Languages at a glance

Eben Sorkin
13.Feb.2007 1.02am
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The Languages we already have are now compiled into two documents - a .txt file and a reference PDF version. This is version 1.2

You can download the PDF & txt at the bottom of this post. There is also an RTF file but Typophile does not support posting that file type. If you want that contact me & I will email it to you.

Last Updated: October 18, 2007

Please help the project: It’s fun, quick & kinda cool!

Please use the the downloadable files as a guide for adding languages or improving the ones we already have.

Langauages we still need include:

- Afrikaans
- Albanian
- Azeri
- Croatian
- Estonian
- Hausa
- Indonesian
- Latvian
- Lithuanian
- Malaysian
- Romanian
- Tagalog,
- Yoruba, and others.

Languages that are seemingly complete include*:

- Basque
- Latin
- Danish
- Dutch
- English
- Finnish
- French
- German
- Hungarian
- Icelandic
- Italian
- Lingala
- Norwegian
- Polish
- Portuguese
- Slovenian
- Spanish
- Swahili
- Swedish
- Turkish

Thanks!

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aleksander
13.Feb.2007 2.05am
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In Polish there are some short sentences containing all accented letters (and they all make sense):

“Zażółć gęślą jaźń”. (a classic)

“Książęcych spóźnień czułość”.
“Pójdźże, kiń tę chmurność w głąb flaszy!”
“Źle, żółw na starość wydziela wstrętną woń”.
“Późną nocą grań olśniła księżyca jasność”.
“Pchnąć w tę łódź jeża lub ośm skrzyń fig”.
“Różowy słoń ma usiąść na tępych gwoździach”.
“Stań i żółty liść pachnącej mięty weź”.

More here.

_______
AL
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auricfuzz
13.Feb.2007 2.19am
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Since there are a number of fluent Spanish speakers on this board, I’m not going to embarass myself trying to create a list (unless no one else chimes in). But I am pretty sure that Spanish has a dearth of double-letter combinations. My classmates constantly make the mistake of using double-s’s, double-f’s, double-m’s, double-p’s, etc., which do not exist in Spanish as far as I know. Only rr and ll occur naturally. Maybe there are some loan words from English or other languages that do have other double letters, but I don’t know of them.

So I guess the question is, should this list contain examples of all three types for every language or just for the languages in which they naturally occur? Maybe this is a bit picky when this project is just getting off the ground, but it’s what I thought of first.


mili
13.Feb.2007 2.31am
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Aleksander, that’s impressive!

Auricfuzz, in my Finnish list there are many words missing, just because they don’t exist in Finnish (no words with double-x or ending with k, for example). I don’t know how Eben would like to deal with the missing letters.


lore
13.Feb.2007 3.52am
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Double letters? That’s Italian! I’ll start a list in Italian and another in Portuguese if that’s ok but I’ll probably need help finishing it (Alessandro, Manlio for Italian?), it’s a busy period but the project is intriguing and too tempting. Ok, let me concentrate...


Ale Paul
13.Feb.2007 6.52am
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some spanish words with doble letters

zapallo, caballo, semilla, estampilla, lluvia, llorar, capilla, etc
secarropas, arroz, carroza, marrón, perro, cerrajero, etc


Eben Sorkin
13.Feb.2007 9.38am
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Regarding double letters an their non existance in some languages: In a case where a a given letter is not doubled then a word where the letter appears in the middle is a good substitute I think.

Looking at Just van Rossum, & Peter Biľak’s Letter frequency Meter ( http://just.letterror.com/ltrwiki/LetterFrequencyMeter ) I also thought about trying to get a deliberate mixture of straight sided & round sized for each letter , and both sides of each, to make the list stronger still. But maybe the best place for that is in the brute force testing model which I am also working on. So I am leaning that way for now because I think brevity is part of what makes this tool appealing. Do you agree?

The thing about this project is that it isn’t really a substitute for an organzed brute force approach to testing where you can look at any & all combinations of glyphs & it is not a substitute for setting a longer text either. It’s not even a substitute for pangrams really. But before you test a font with a longer text I think a quick check using a test like this might reveal a problems that would take longer to find using any of the other methods. Mostly though I think this tool is a way of seeing how another language feels in your type design so you can see if your kerning is going well for that language, to see if the ascennders and decenders are working nicely, and to see how your CE glyphs with diacritics feel.

Alejandro, would you be willing to do the Spanish one or part of it?

Lorenza, Thank you! That sounds great!

Aleksander, Would you do the Polish?


Miss Tiffany
13.Feb.2007 10.01am
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Miguel Sousa’s Adhesion Text has several different languages, including Spanish. I’m sure it would be helpful in the least.

Sample:

Únelo meros golf, vago herraste, aro lictor labia. Enlace fax lar escolimoso, cuy, sao risas tremebunda. Vacó daga, fuer, cobaya pudor lazarían recocidas, licores ah ibas. Limo, tul. Avenido, leváis ultraja, substanciáramos familiarizar bailado, e, sanee, palo, verminoso falte. Mirlásemos evaporaríamos, ni otor negándonos, i encabestrarse, nota u cele se suegra, roa, ole inmodestas ábrenos, elude. Fisonómicos ver, deseabas cu. A vea, paga. Y, georgia miosis le, abad ó ñ, jaurías discernido. En, poro, cresta. Aminorabas vil, ajo, ka, les cantillo arqueozoología, flan, violare, plantón. Apoye, fe, oh, dina, ladrillal, mutuo as sí ñoro persevera, lija mendrugos. U leo, quilla timarte iba musitamos purificará, atorar, ato desenfunde ladran. Moro extraembrionaria trabajadores ensañases embrease, e. Ruco acólito, de, urú leeréis animó o, calmara los, teclear, le, basa. Phi has, cedan, pesa boj zeta. Bah, hela ribete i fa gro, a upa trasunté. Mal o, la fue hazas esclerosis curare, imantan, oirá vuele, fez desactivó, paralelizarse. Ojazo ay, laza ice, ido, e, cacho, crepitan ya trayéndola lujo folladas caliza. Tire mulo misar, abrí, envejeceremos quedos valorarnos, lacearais, canacos taxi. Amañando, activara, electrizándoles kas incaico, nido ce, ro, desconocía, salve. Xi, ce, gacha. Sucu os peligrosa, miman, lima. Visivas laza te frenos agarraros, memos. Corso mu, perfilar excluyas agre, yo loco acata ronques, bajío sol, e, dardo niñeó eh, oes. Dilectos, arbitrándome, dalla. Situé, ene, remango zuma ampara, u inflases, mela, tino escariados, rezaríais literaria. Descargarais, remendó, embalsamando fe, lee, ocúltense, ó nu mal rosas si. O, oso pon, ceca son tex, anticuadas, disiparías matee alas apoastro, doy, la mohosas. Abordadas tupí, funden, des, relegamos red, oteas, parca, mitigue. Ubre adelantaseis, barbirralo te en, e, dome meo ñ, cama necesitases, dude encañona, sicu. Irme ova samblajes, pene, entramada. Deleitaréis, baos bruña alzasen, céfiro suecos e, anticonstitucionales. Y, dio limada ex, óbito duda, muden.


aleksander
13.Feb.2007 10.53am
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OK, Polish version as follows: [edit: reformatted]

Aa:
abażur, Abażur, ABAŻUR
mrówka, Mrówka, MRÓWKA
zaangażować, Zaangażować, ZAANGAŻOWAĆ

Ąą:
-
wchrzanią, Wchrzanią, WCHRZANIĄ
-

Bb:
brzdąc, Brzdąc, BRZDĄC
dziób, Dziób, DZIÓB
hobbistka, Hobbistka, HOBBISTKA

Cc:
czułość, Czułość, CZUŁOŚĆ
makowiec, Makowiec, MAKOWIEC
giżycczanka, Giżycczanka, GIŻYCCZANKA

Ćć:
ćwierćinteligent, Ćwierćinteligent, ĆWIERĆINTELIGENT
żółć, Żółć, ŻÓŁĆ
-

Dd:
dentystka, Dentystka, DENTYSTKA
bezład, Bezład, BEZŁAD
oddłużenie, Oddłużenie, ODDŁUŻENIE

Ee:
edukacja, Edukacja, EDUKACJA
budzenie, Budzenie, BUDZENIE
teleelektronika, Teleelektronika, TELEELEKTRONIKA

Ęę:
-
szczenię, Szczenię, SZCZENIĘ
-

Ff:
figlarz, Figlarz, FIGLARZ
cyrograf, Cyrograf, CYROGRAF
offsetowy, Offsetowy, OFFSETOWY

Gg:
gardziel, Gardziel, GARDZIEL
pług, Pług, PŁUG
jogging, Jogging, JOGGING

Hh:
hulajnoga, Hulajnoga, HULAJNOGA
łasuch, Łasuch, ŁASUCH
-

Ii:
igiełka, Igiełka, IGIEŁKA
cążki, Cążki, CĄŻKI
-

Jj:
jałowcówka, Jałowcówka, JAŁOWCÓWKA
łój, Łój, ŁÓJ
trójjęzyczność, Trójjęzyczność, TRÓJJĘZYCZNOŚĆ

Kk:
kartusz, Kartusz, KARTUSZ
cycek, Cycek, CYCEK
lekkoatletka, Lekkoatletka, LEKKOATLETKA

Ll:
liryczny, Liryczny, LIRYCZNY
bajzel, Bajzel, BAJZEL
flotylla, Flotylla, FLOTYLLA

Łł:
łyko, Łyko, ŁYKO
bęcwał, Bęcwał, BĘCWAŁ
mułła, Mułła, MUŁŁA

Mm:
maczuga, Maczuga, MACZUGA
łam, Łam, ŁAM
mammologia, Mammologia, MAMMOLOGIA

Nn:
natarcie, Natarcie, NATARCIE
żargon, Żargon, ŻARGON
chłonność, Chłonność, CHŁONNOŚĆ

Oo:
okólnik, Okólnik, OKÓLNIK
mydło, Mydło, MYDŁO
poobdzierany, Poobdzierany, POOBDZIERANY

Óó:
ósemka, Ósemka, Ósemka
-
-

Pp:
pępek, Pępek, PĘPEK
słup, Słup, SŁUP
hippika, Hippika, HIPPIKA

Rr: różany, Różany, RÓŻANY
transformator, Transformator, TRANSFORMATOR
irracjonalny, Irracjonalny, IRRACJONALNY

Ss:
sękacz, Sękacz, SĘKACZ
wąs, Wąs, WĄS
transseksualistka, Transseksualistka, TRANSSEKSUALISTKA

Tt:
tarmosił, Tarmosił, TARMOSIŁ
tętent, Tętent, TĘTENT
pięćsettysięcznik, Pięćsettysięcznik, PIĘĆSETTYSIĘCZNIK

Uu:
urżnąć, Urżnąć, URŻNĄĆ
łubudu, Łubudu, ŁUBUDU
indywiduum, Indywiduum, INDYWIDUUM

Vv:
varia, Varia, VARIA
-
-

Ww:
wizażysta, Wizażysta, WIZAŻYSTA
odpływ, Odpływ, ODPŁYW
wwóz, Wwóz, WWÓZ

Xx:
xenia, Xenia, XENIA (*)
-
-

Yy:
yeti, Yeti, YETI
chorąży, Chorąży, CHORĄŻY
-

Zz:
zadymka, Zadymka, ZADYMKA
wiąz, Wiąz, WIĄZ
rozzłoszczenie, Rozzłoszczenie, ROZZŁOSZCZENIE

Źź:
źdźbło, Źdźbło, ŹDŹBŁO
niedźwiedź, Niedźwiedź, NIEDŹWIEDŹ
-

Żż:
żałość, Żałość, ŻAŁOŚĆ
łupież, Łupież, ŁUPIEŻ
-

(*) Foreign Words Dictionary, sometimes used in written language

That was fun!

Note that in Polish commonly appearing pairs of consonants like “ch”, “cz”, “dz”, “dź”, “dż”, “rz”, “sz” are pronounced as one sound so they could be considered as special ligatures.

_______
AL
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lore
13.Feb.2007 10.53am
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Ok, this is a start...I’m not sure I’m doing the right thing here but please feel free to add/savage/edit, whatever. It’s just a start and I wasn’t incredibly inspired today...


lore
13.Feb.2007 10.54am
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ITALIAN (some have been left blank because there isn’t any word like that or beccause I can’t find it)

A
acqua, Acqua, ACQUA
alterigia, Alterigia, ALTERIGIA
aiuole Aiuole AIUOLE

B
bigotto, Bigotto, BIGOTTO
febbriccitante, Febbriccitante, FEBBRICITANTE
-

C
Capzioso, Capzioso, CAPZIOSO
peccatore, Peccatore, PECCATORE
-

D
deviazione, Deviazione, DEVIAZIONE
addio, Addio, ADDIO
-

E
esile, Esile, ESILE
assemblee, Assemblee, ASSEMBLEE
notte, Notte, NOTTE

F
fischiettare, Fischiettare, FISCHIETTARE
afflato, Afflato, AFFLATO
-

G
gemelli, Gemelli, GEMELLI
leggendario, Leggendario, LEGGENDARIO
-

H
-
-
-

I
inequivocabilmente Inequivocabilmente INEQUIVOCABILMENTE
-
lunedì, Lunedì, LUNEDÌ

L
lunatico, Lunatico, LUNATICO
scellerato, Scellerato, SCELLERATO
-

M
malanimo, Malanimo, MALANIMO
immagine, Immagine. IMMAGINE
-

N
nequizia, nequizia, NEQUIZIA
condanna, Condanna, CONDANNA
-

O
obliquo, Obliquo, OBLIQUO
scricchiolio, Scricchiolio, SCRICCHIOLIO
oggetto, Oggetto, OGGETTO

P
panegirico, Panegirico, PANEGIRICO
dappertutto, Dappertutto, DAPPERTUTTO
-

Q
quanto, Quanto, QUANTO
-
-

R
robusto, Robusto, ROBUSTO
arroganza, Arroganza, ARROGANZA
-

S
scherno, Scherno, SCHERNO
assassino, Assassino, ASSASSINO
-

T
tizio, Tizio, TIZIO
legittima, Legittima, LEGITTIMA
-

U
Unità, Unità, UNITÀ
-
-

V
vorace, Vorace, VORACE
sopravvivere, Sopravvivere, SOPRAVVIVERE
-

Z
zattera, Zattera, ZATTERA
singhiozzi, Singhiozzi, SINGHIOZZI
-


lore
13.Feb.2007 10.57am
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PORTUGUESE
(based on Brazilian Portuguese, it might work for Portugal too but it needs to be checked. I inserted the words suggested by Barbara Emanuel)

A
argüição, Argüição, ARGÜIÇÃO
-
cãibra, Cãibra, CÃIBRA

B
Baía, Baía, BAÍA
-
-

C
conseqüência, Conseqüência, CONSEQÜÊNCIA
 

-
- 


D
Detalhe, Detalhe, DETALHE
-
-

E
engrenagem, Engrenagem, ENGRENAGEM
empreendedor, empreendedor, EMPREENDEDOR
coice, Coice, COICE

F
Fugaz, Fugaz, FUGAZ
-
-

G
grão, Grão, GRÃO
-
-

H
hierarquia, Hierarquia, HIERARQUIA
-
-

I
interlúdio, Interlúdio, INTERLÚDIO
niilista, Niilista, NIILISTA
organdi, Organdi, ORGANDI

J
justaposição, Justaposição, JUSTAPOSIÇÃO
-
-

L
lixívia, Lixívia, LIXÍVIA,
-
inesquecível, Inesquecível, INESQUECÍVEL

M
monções, Monções, MONÇÕES
-
trem, Trem, TREM

N
ninho, Ninho, NINHO
-
neon, Neon, NÉON

O
Orquídea, orquídea, ORQUÍDEA
-
contexto, Contexto, CONTEXTO

P
pinhão, Pinhão, PINHÃO
-
-

Q
qualquer, Qualquer, QUALQUER
-
-

R
riqueza, Riqueza, RIQUEZA
barreira, Barreira, BARREIRA
peculiar, Peculiar, PECULIAR

S
símbolo, Símbolo, SÍMBOLO
expressão, Expressão, EXPRESSÃO
grátis, Grátis, GRÁTIS

T
transcender, Transcender, TRANSCENDER
-
-

U
urbano, Urbano, URBANO
-
ateu, Ateu, ATEU

V
Vulgar, Vulgar, VULGAR
-
-

X
Xadrez, Xadrez, XADREZ
-
cóccix, Cóccix, CÓCCIX

Z
Zumbido, Zumbido, ZUMBIDO
-
Luz, Luz, LUZ


Kristina Drake
13.Feb.2007 12.47pm
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French

Aa: avenir Avenir AVENIR aubergine Aubergine AUBERGINE ma Ma MA

Bb: botte Botte BOTTE brusque Brusque BRUSQUE

Cc: carnet Carnet CARNET accent Accent ACCENT blanc Blanc BLANC

Dd: dommage Dommage DOMMAGE marchand Marchand MARCHAND

Ee: exemple Exemple EXEMPLE féerique Féerique FÉERIQUE mange Mange MANGE

Ff: faible Faible FAIBLE effort Effort EFFORT souffrant Souffrant SOUFFRANT bref Bref BREF

Gg: guise Guise GUISE rang Rang RANG

Hh: hiver Hiver HIVER

Ii: ignoble Ignoble IGNOBLE triions Triions TRIIONS ami Ami AMI

Jj: jamais Jamais JAMAIS

Kk: kilogramme Kilogramme KILOGRAMME kayak Kayak KAYAK

Ll: lutin Lutin LUTIN meilleur Meilleur MEILLEUR pareil Pareil PAREIL

Mm: manger Manger MANGER inconsciemment Inconsciemment INCONSCIEMMENT

Nn: noyer Noyer NOYER ennuyant Ennuyant ENNUYANT non Non NON

Oo: ouvert Ouvert OUVERT zoophobie Zoophobie ZOOPHOBIE

Pp: population Population POPULATION application Application APPLICATION

Qq: question Question QUESTION

Rr: rigoleux Rigoleux RIGOLEUX barrage Barrage BARRAGE rougir Rougir ROUGIR

Ss: soyeux Soyeux SOYEUX ressentir Ressentir RESSENTIR masques Masques MASQUES

Tt: tuyau Tuyau TUYAU attention Attention ATTENTION chant Chant CHANT

Uu: usure Usure USURE

Vv: visuel Visuel VISUEL

Ww: wagon Wagon WAGON

Xx: xylophone Xylophone XYLOPHONE paix Paix PAIX

Yy: yeux Yeux YEUX

Zz: zeste Zeste ZESTE pizza Pizza PIZZA

It’s difficult to get a real sense of the words without including accented words.


lore
13.Feb.2007 3.25pm
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Not fair, Kristina, pizza is mine! Moderator!


Miss Tiffany
13.Feb.2007 3.40pm
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Is Pizza a french word? I think not. I must side with Lore. ;^)


Eben Sorkin
13.Feb.2007 3.43pm
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ha!

Of course, in English (and other languages) there is often no word except for a loan word which will contain certain letter combinations. Thank you Kristina, Lorenza, Tiffany, Aleksander and Miguel !

Adhesion text is amazing and wonderful.


david hamuel
13.Feb.2007 6.20pm
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Turkish
(good for you, Eben? I need another day to type the rest :^) )

arkadașlariyla, çocuğun, milliyetçilerinden, Öğretmen, konușuyorsun


Eben Sorkin
13.Feb.2007 7.10pm
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Yes, Turkish would be great to have!


guifa
13.Feb.2007 11.06pm
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Okay, time for the Spanish. The only letters that can be doubled are vowels, n, l, c, and r. It’s technically possible to have a double s in voseo regions or in Spain where the os reflexive could be used in conjunction with the indirect le morphed into an indirect se due to a final third-person direct object, but besides the fact that A- it’s pretty unlikely (I can only ever think of quite off the wall statements to line all of them up), I’m quite sure the RAE’s position is that it’s reduced to a single s. In old Spanish, however, it was quite common though, used in the same areas where for instance Modern Portuguese would use ss. Ll was prior to ’94 sorted as a separate letter, but I’m including it (as well as ch) as I suppose for people making specifically Spanish-use fonts it could open up some interesting design considerations (the font used by Cátedra kerns the c and h when together a bit closer than normal. Also, note that the accents are not required on capital vowels (Ñ always has accent), but especially in modern times they are almost always included.

A:
[ animal, Animal, ANIMAL
- manzana, Manzana, MANZANA
2 portaaviones, Portaaviones, PORTAAVIONES
] pantera, Pantera, PANTERA

Á:
[ águila, Águila, ÁGUILA
- matemáticas, Matemáticas, MATEMÁTICAS
] nadará, Nadará, NADARÁ

B:
[ bebida, Bebida, BEBIDA
- caballo, Caballo, CABALLO
*] club, Club, CLUB

C:
[ claro, Claro, CLARO
- acontecimiento, Acontecimiento, ACONTECIMIENTO
2 inspección, Inspección, INSPECCIÓN
*] coñac, Coñac, COÑAC

Ch:
[ charlar, Charlar, CHARLAR
- mancha, Mancha, MANCHA
*] sándwich, Sándwich, SÁNDWICH

D:
[ demonio, Demonio, DEMONIO
- nadar, Nadar, NADAR
] ciudad, Ciudad, CIUDAD

E:
[ escuchar, Escuchar, ESCUCHAR
- competir, Competir, COMPETIR
2 creer, Creer, CREER
] independiente, Independiente, INDEPENDIENTE

É:
[ éramos, Éramos, ÉRAMOS
- atlético, Atlético, ATLÉTICO
] haré, Haré, HARÉ

F:
[ fonólogo, Fonólogo, FONÓLOGO
- africción, Africción, AFRICCIÓN
*] golf, Golf, GOLF

G:
[ gasolina, Gasolina, GASOLINA
- paragüeño, Paragüeño, PARAGÜEÑO
*] gong, Gong, GONG

H:
[ hielo, Hielo, HIELO
- deshacer, Deshacer, DESHACER
] oh, Oh, OH / ah, Ah, AH

I:
[ intelectual, Intelectual, INTELECTUAL
- miniatura, Miniatura, MINIATURA
2 [none]
] metrópoli, Metrópoli, METRÓPOLI

Í:
[ íntegra, Íntegra, ÍNTEGRA
- mínimo, Mínimo, MÍNIMO
] albaní, Albaní, ALBANÍ

J:
[ jarra, Jarra, JARRA
- sanguijuela, Sanguijuela, SANGUIJUELA
] reloj, Reloj, RELOJ

K:
*[ kilómetro, Kilómetro, KILÓMETRO
*- afrikáner, Afrikáner, AFRIKÁNER
*]yak, Yak, YAK

L:
[ lanza, Lanza, LANZA
- aliviar, Aliviar, ALIVIAR
] vocacional, Vocacional, VOCACIONAL

Ll:
[ llamar, Llamar, LLAMAR
- semilla, Semilla, SEMILLA
] [none]

M:
[ manera, Manera, MANERA
- inmigración, Inmigración, INMIGRACIÓN
*] quórum, Quorum, QUÓRUM

N:
[ natación, Natación, NATACIÓN
- anaranjado, Anaranjado, ANARANJADO
] sensación, Sensación, SENSACIÓN

Ñ:
*[ ñandú, Ñandú, ÑANDÚ
- señor, Señor, SEÑORA
] [none]

O:
[ oposición, Oposición, OPOSICIÓN
- colombiano, Colombiano, COLOMBIANO
2 microonda, Microonda, MICROONDA
] estado, Estado, ESTADO

P:
[ perfecto, Perfecto, PERFECTO
- septiembre, Septiembre, SEPTIEMBRE
*] clip, Clip, CLIP

Q:
[ quehacer, Quehacer, QUEHACER
- psiquiátrico, Psiquiátrico, PSIQUIÁTRICO
] [none]

R:
[ rellenar, Rellenar, RELLENAR
- armas, Armas, ARMAS
2 correr, Correr, CORRER
] teclear, Teclear, TECLEAR

S:
[ soportar, Soportar, SOPORTAR
- asimismo, Asimismo, ASIMISMO
] naciones, Naciones, NACIONES

T:
[ trabajo, Trabajo, TRABAJO
- atento, Atento, ATENTO
*] chalet, Chalet, CHALET

U:
[ unanimidad, Unanimidad, UNANIMIDAD
- denuncia, Denuncia, DENUNCIA
*2 duunviro
*] espíritu, Espíritu, ESPÍRITU

Ú:
[ último
- antepenúltimo, Antepenúltimo, ANTEPENÚLTIMO
] champú, Champú, CHAMPÚ

Ü:
[ [none]
- vergüenza, Vergüenza, VERGÜENZA
] [none]

V:
[ versos, Versos, VERSOS
- polvo, Polvo, POLVO
] [none]

W:
*[ watt, Watt, WATT
*- sóftware, Sóftware, SÓFTWARE
] [none]

X:
[ xilófago, Xilófago, XILÓFAGO
- exemplar, Exemplar, EXEMPLAR
] fénix, Fénix, FÉNIX

Y:
[ yegua, Yegua, YEGUA
- desayunar, Desayunar, DESAYUNAR
] virrey, Virrey, VIRREY

Z:
[ zapatos, Zapatos, ZAPATOS
- mozárabe, Mozárabe, MOZÁRABE
] rapidéz, Rapidéz, RAPIDÉZ

* These formations are extremely rare and found either exclusively in loan words or with a total occurrence of about 1-5 native words.

I hope that helps.

«El futuro es una línea tan fina que apenas nos damos cuenta de pintarla nosotros mismos.» (La Luz Oscura, por Javier Guerrero)


Eben Sorkin
14.Feb.2007 12.12am
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Extremely Pretty! And well done too. I do have one question about the format. Why do all of the last examples exists outside the braces? like this : ” ] rapidéz, Rapidéz, RAPIDÉZ ” I keep re-reading your text to find out but I can’t see where that is explained. I was thinking of adopting the format for all the examples, so I want to understand it.


guifa
14.Feb.2007 12.36am
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Well, I originally meant it to use greater-than and less-than signs, but apparently the forum backend was eating ’em, interpretting them as HTML mark-ups. I decided to go with open-bracket for a prime letter, and close bracket for a terminal letter. Hyphen is for a medial letter, and 2 for a double letter. Hence

[ prime
- medial
2 double
] terminal

I could probably have come up with something snazzier but I was lazy :)

«El futuro es una línea tan fina que apenas nos damos cuenta de pintarla nosotros mismos.» (La Luz Oscura, por Javier Guerrero)


Quincunx
14.Feb.2007 5.54am
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I might see if I can come up with such a list for Dutch. But maybe someone beats me to it.


Kristina Drake
14.Feb.2007 7.51am
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Pizza is in my Larousse.

And, I am from Quebec where French is often largely English. (OK, that could be a really contentious subject. Let’s not get into it...)

I’ll rephrase: It has been my experience that much of the French spoken here is English. I once worked at a gas station. A man came in and with great agitation asked if I spoke French, to which I replied “oui”. He proceeded to ask, and I quote, “tu-peux-tu me caller un tow-truck, mon motor a stallé.” I’m sure even those of you who speak no French could figure out what he meant. Call a tow truck. My motor stalled. Pizza is the least of the anglicizing that occurs. Also, in France, “parking” and “shopping” are more common than the French terms.

Eben : Holler if you want French words with accents.

K.


tungsteno
14.Feb.2007 10.20am
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gentilissima Lore

I would add

aiuole Aiuole AIUOLE

inequivocabilmente Inequivocabilmente INEQUIVOCABILMENTE

no double letters but with all the five vocals used in Italian

ps: pizza is ours.

r.


tungsteno
14.Feb.2007 10.33am
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One more in Italian:

afflato Afflato AFFLATO: it could be useful for the ffl ligature

r.


lore
14.Feb.2007 11.57am
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Eccellente Rinaldo! Your words have been added successfully.
And what’s that Pizza still doing in the French list? ; )


Alessandro Segalini
14.Feb.2007 12.05pm
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Amusing and useful stuff in here, today a girl told me I was looking “dapper” in my suit/jean combo, I didn’t know that word, I looked up later, so here is my Italian contribution for today :

dappertutto, Dappertutto, DAPPERTUTTO (everywhere ; on all sides ; all over the place).


Marc C
15.Feb.2007 9.57am
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tu-peux-tu me caller un tow-truck, mon motor a stallé

Ho my god !!!!

Yes Pizza is also french

What is the code to do small caps ?

Thanks


Miss Tiffany
15.Feb.2007 10.03am
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Ok, ok. :^D I understand that the word “pizza” is used in other languages. :^D My perception of this thread is to find stereotypically Portuguese, French, Italian, etc. words. That’s all.


Jongseong
16.Feb.2007 12.10am
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I’ll contribute some Swahili, a language rich in double vowels (but not in double consonants) and letter combinations rare in European languages. Final consonants are rare. Except in loanwords, the only double consonants as far as I can tell occur word-initially when nasal prefixes m or n attach to roots beginning with the same letter.

A:
a’a, A’a, A’A / maandazi, Maandazi, MAANDAZI / alaa, Alaa, ALAA

B:
bawabu, Bawabu, BAWABU / mtumbwi, Mtumbwi, MTUMBWI / dhoruba, Dhoruba, DHORUBA

CH:
chungwa, Chungwa, CHUNGWA / mchanga, Mchanga, MCHANGA / pichi, Pichi, PICHI

D:
domofupi, Domofupi, DOMOFUPI / jaddi, Jaddi, JADDI / nakupenda, Nakupenda, NAKUPENDA

DH:
dhidi, Dhidi, DHIDI / aliorodhesha, Aliorodhesha, ALIORODHESHA / forodha, Forodha, FORODHA

E:
egesha, Egesha, EGESHA / chenye, Chenye, CHENYE / pekee, Pekee, PEKEE

F:
fofofo, Fofofo, FOFOFO / kifafa, Kifafa, KIFAFA

G:
genge, Genge, GENGE / mgonjwa, Mgonjwa, MGONJWA / siagi, Siagi, SIAGI

GH:
ghadhabu, Ghadhabu, GHADHABU / lugha, Lugha, LUGHA

H:
harambee, Harambee, HARAMBEE / mahali, Mahali, MAHALI / sahihi, Sahihi, SAHIHI

I:
ifikapo, Ifikapo, IFIKAPO / kijiji, Kijiji, KIJIJI / hii, Hii, HII

J:
jambo, Jambo, JAMBO / kijivu, Kijivu, KIJIVU / mhudumiaji, Mhudumiaji, MHUDUMIAJI

K:
kamusi, Kamusi, KAMUSI / kumbuka, Kumbuka, KUMBUKA / tonik, Tonik, TONIK

KH:
khanga, Khanga, KHANGA / alkhamisi, Alkhamisi, ALKHAMISI

L:
lalamika, Lalamika, LALAMIKA / mlango, Mlango, MLANGO / halisi, Halisi, HALISI / wasili, Wasili, WASILI

M:
matatu, Matatu, MATATU / mswaki, Mswaki, MSWAKI / mjini, Mjini, MJINI / mmoja, Mmoja, MMOJA / hamjambo, Hamjambo, HAMJAMBO / jahanum, Jahanum, JAHANUM

N:
nasahau, Nasahau, NASAHAU / nne, Nne, NNE / pwani, Pwani, PWANI

NG:
ngoja, Ngoja, NGOJA / nyingi, Nyingi, Nyingi

NG’:
ng’arange, Ng’arange, NG’ARANGE / kereng’ende, Kereng’ende, KERENG’ENDE

NY:
nyama, Nyama, NYAMA / maonyesho, Maonyesho, MAONYESHO / mung’unye,

O:
omba, Omba, OMBA / wanaoondoka, Wanaoondoka, WANAOONDOKA / uso, Uso, USO / vyoo, Vyoo, VYOO

P:
polepole, Polepole, POLEPOLE / plagi, Plagi, PLAGI / upepo, Upepo, UPEPO

R:
rafiki, Rafiki, RAFIKI / perere, Perere, PERERE

S:
sungura, Sungura, SUNGURA / mstari, Mstari, MSTARI / yabis, Yabis, YABIS

SH:
sherehe, Sherehe, SHEREHE / nakshi, Nakshi, NAKSHI

T:
taulo, Taulo, TAULO / treni, Treni, TRENI / yogat, Yogat, YOGAT

TH:
thelathini, Thelathini, THELATHINI / urithi, Urithi, URITHI

U:
upuuzi, Upuuzi, UPUUZI / funguo, Funguo, FUNGUO / madafu, Madafu, MADAFU

V:
vijana, Vijana, VIJANA / unyevunyevu, Unyevunyevu, UNYEVUNYEVU

W:
walikuwa, Walikuwa, WALIKUWA / kumwabudu, Kumwabudu, KUMWABUDU / naelewa, Naelewa, NAELEWA

Y:
yoyote, Yoyote, YOYOTE / nsya, Nsya, NSYA / peya, Peya, PEYA

Z:
zafarani, Zafarani, ZAFARANI / wazazi, Wazazi, WAZAZI


lore
16.Feb.2007 6.45am
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Dapper! You must be kidding. Dappertutto has been added. We still need to fill those blanks though. Be patient, Eben. We’re getting there :)


Quincunx
16.Feb.2007 10.16am
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Almost finished a Dutch list. Will post it soon.


peterj
16.Feb.2007 11.13am
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Here’s ä couple of Swedish ones for you all; enjoy.

A
andra Andra ANDRA
luciaafton Luciaafton LUCIAAFTON

B
bål Bål BÅL
aladåb Aladåb ALADÅB
krabba Krabba KRABBA

C
citron Citron CITRON
cognac Cognac COGNAC
acceptera Acceptera ACCEPTERA

D
död Död DÖD
rädda Rädda RÄDDA

E
eller Eller ELLER
inte Inte INTE
skeende Skeende SKEENDE

F
för För FÖR
räffla Räffla RÄFFLA
biograf Biograf BIOGRAF

G
glid Glid GLID
flög Flög FLÖG
rygga Rygga RYGGA

H
hjul Hjul HJUL
affisch Affisch AFFISCH
hihhulit Hihhulit HIHHULIT

I
ingen Ingen INGEN
galleri Galleri GALLERI

J
jogga Jogga JOGGA
hoj Hoj HOJ
nojja nojja

K
kök Kök KÖK
bankkonto Bankkonto BANKKONTO

L
lagom Lagom LAGOM
hål Hål HÅL
rulla Rulla RULLA

M
måttlig Måttlig MÅTTLIG
om Om OM
hemma Hemma HEMMA

N
nål Nål NÅL
fin Fin FIN
ränna Ränna RÄNNA

O
orsak Orsak ORSAK
ro Ro RO
kooperativ Kooperativ KOOPERATIV
oomstridlig Oomstridlig OOMSTRIDLIG

P
prål Prål PRÅL
läpp Läpp LÄPP
hälla Hälla HÄLLA

Q
quisling Quisling QUISLING

R
röta Röta RÖTA
år År ÅR
knorr Knorr KNORR

S
sliten Sliten SLITEN
flås Flås FLÅS
kassa Kassa KASSA

T
tokig Tokig TOKIG
söt Söt SÖT
rätta Rätta RÄTTA

U
Uv Uv UV
fru Fru FRU
bastuugn Bastuugn BASTUUGN

V
väta Väta VÄTA
håv Håv HÅV
avväga Avväga AVVÄGA

X
xylofon Xylofon XYLOFON
kex Kex KEX
yxa Yxa YXA

Y
yngre Yngre YNGRE
dy Dy DY

Z
zon Zon ZON
jazz Jazz JAZZ

Å
åsamka Åsamka ÅSAMKA
grå Grå GRÅ
råå Råå RÅÅ

Ä
älska Älska ÄLSKA
fä Fä FÄ

Ö
öl Öl ÖL
kö Kö KÖ
insjööring Insjööring INSJÖÖRING


mili
16.Feb.2007 11.28am
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Peter, what does “hihhulit” mean in Swedish? In Finnish it is a plural of religious fanatics. Another familiar word was kassa, which I think has the same meaning. And I can guess what rännä means, we have ränni in Finnish (obvious influence from Swedish). My school Swedish is a bit rusty.


Jongseong
16.Feb.2007 7.57pm
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I’m guessing hihhulit must be a loanword from Finnish, one of the few that went in that direction. It doesn’t look like a native Swedish word.

I do know kassa means “cashbox” or “cashier’s”, which we were always confusing with kasse (“bag”) all the time in Swedish class when we were talking about shopping situations.


rs_donsata
16.Feb.2007 10.52pm
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This could only happen in typophile, wow...

Héctor


Eben Sorkin
16.Feb.2007 11.14pm
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I am so happy....

Brian & Peter Thank You!

Looking forward to the Dutch!

Matthew, thanks for the explanation!

Eben : Holler if you want French words with accents.

Pretty please, with sugar on top!


Quincunx
17.Feb.2007 5.17am
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Dutch list of words.
- starting
- middle
- ending

Sometimes I added more then one, seperated with a slash. I’ll make changes when I find something better.

Aa:
- achterhoede, Achterhoede, ACHTERHOEDE
- aandraaien, Aandraaien, AANDRAAIEN
- nota, Nota, NOTA

Bb:
- blindganger, Blindganger, BLINDGANGER
- liefhebber, Liefhebber, LIEFHEBBER / dubbelganger, Dubbelganger, DUBBELGANGER
- achterkwab, Achterkwab, ACHTERKWAB

Cc:
- citroengras, Citroengras, CITROENGRAS
- accentuatie, Accentuatie, ACCENTUATIE / accijns, Accijns, ACCIJNS
- goocheltruc, Goocheltruc, GOOCHELTRUC

Dd:
- deftigheid, Deftigheid, DEFTIGHEID
- aanbidding, Aanbidding, AANBIDDING
- mogelijkheid, Mogelijkheid, MOGELIJKHEID

Ee:
- edelman, Edelman, EDELMAN
- eenvoudig, Eenvoudig, EENVOUDIG / gereedschap, Gereedschap, GEREEDSCHAP
- archeologie, Archeologie, ARCHEOLOGIE

Ff:
- fonkelnieuw, Fonkelnieuw, FONKELNIEUW
- voltreffer, Voltreffer, VOLTREFFER
- muilkorf, Muilkorf, MUILKORF / potscherf, Potscherf, POTSCHERF

Gg:
- gelegenheidsdichter, Gelegenheidsdichter, GELEGENHEIDSDICHTER
- burggraaf, Burggraaf, BURGGRAAF
- stichting, Stichting, STICHTING

Hh:
- huichelarij, Huichelarij, HUICHELARIJ
- pochhans, Pochhans, POCHHANS
- gejuich, Gejuich, GEJUICH

Ii:
- inlichtingen, Inlichtingen, INLICHTINGEN
- vergroeiing, Vergroeiing, VERGROEIING
- historici, Historici, HISTORICI / drieërlei, Drieërlei, DRIEËRLEI / armelui, Armelui, ARMELUI

Jj:
- jonkheer, Jonkheer, JONKHEER
- pijjekker, Pijjekker, PIJJEKKER
- ijsvrij, IJsvrij, IJSVRIJ

Kk:
- kunstacademie, Kunstacademie, KUNSTACADEMIE
- klokken, Klokken, KLOKKEN
- boekblok, Boekblok, BOEKBLOK

Ll:
- luwte, Luwte, LUWTE
- schillen, Schillen, SCHILLEN
- gasbel, Gasbel, GASBEL

Mm:
- metgezel, Metgezel, METGEZEL
- rammelen, Rammelen, RAMMELEN
- schim, Schim, SCHIM

Nn:
- nijverheid, Nijverheid, NIJVERHEID
- nonnen, Nonnen, NONNEN
- tevreden, Tevreden, TEVREDEN

Oo:
- oranjeboom, Oranjeboom, ORANJEBOOM
- hoogleraar, Hoogleraar, HOOGLERAAR
- halmstro, Halmstro, HALMSTRO

Pp:
- plempen, Plempen, PLEMPEN
- maatschappij, Maatschappij, MAATSCHAPPIJ
- vakmanschap, Vakmanschap, VAKMANSCHAP

Qq:
- queeste, Queeste, QUEESTE (none, but I added a word that has been adopted and changed)
- none (middle)
- none (ending)

Rr:
- rots, Rots, ROTS / ruzie, Ruzie, RUZIE
- voorraad, Voorraad, VOORRAAD / scharrel, Scharrel, SCHARREL
- bevelhebber, Bevelhebber, BEVELHEBBER

Ss:
- scharminkel, Scharminkel, SCHARMINKEL / scherp, Scherp, SCHERP
- bessen, Bessen, BESSEN / passen, Passen, PASSEN / beslissing, Beslissing, BESLISSING
- fles, Fles, FLES

Tt:
- terecht, Terecht, TERECHT / terloops, Terloops, TERLOOPS
- schatting, Schatting, SCHATTING
- gezicht, Gezicht, GEZICHT

Uu:
- uitzondering, Uitzondering, UITZONDERING / uitleg, Uitleg, UITLEG
- buurt, Buurt, BUURT / bestuur, Bestuur, BESTUUR
- kenau, Kenau, KENAU

Vv:
- vandaag, Vandaag, VANDAAG / vechten, Vechten, VECHTEN
- none (middle)
- none (ending)

Ww:
- wikkel, Wikkel, WIKKEL / woeker, Woeker, WOEKER
- nieuwbouwwijk, Nieuwbouwwijk, NIEUWBOUWWIJK
- vrouw, Vrouw, VROUW / zenuw, Zenuw, ZENUW

Xx:
- xantippe, Xantippe, XANTIPPE (probably adopted from somewhere)
- none (middle)
- none (ending)

Yy:
- yuppie, Yuppie, YUPPIE (probably adopted aswell)
- none (middle)
- none (ending)

Zz:
- zacht, Zacht, ZACHT / ziekenhuis, Ziekenhuis, ZIEKENHUIS
- barentszzee, Barentszzee, BARENTSZZEE
- none (ending)


Grot Esqué
17.Feb.2007 5.20am
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What does edelman mean?


Quincunx
17.Feb.2007 5.42am
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Noble or aristocratic man. Not sure how to translate, because ’nobleman’ translates to ’jonkheer’, which is also in my list.


Grot Esqué
17.Feb.2007 7.44am
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It’s the last name of a finnish singer/actor. It doesn’t mean anything in Finnish, so I guess it’s of dutch origin then.


bennat
17.Feb.2007 8.59am
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Hi everybody!
This is my first post, here goes an attempt for basque.

All the words from the list are correctly spelled, but I have inserted some notes:

(!) rare, not natural basque formation
(*) only found in loan words
(?) non-existent

Aa:
anitz, Anitz, ANITZ
haatik, Haatik, HAATIK
kexa, Kexa, KEXA

Bb:
bazter, Bazter, BAZTER
* hobby, Hobby, HOBBY
! klub, Klub, KLUB

Cc: (*)
* curriculum, Curriculum, CURRICULUM
* accesit, Accesit, ACCESIT
* picnic, Picnic, PICNIC

Dd:
dzanga, Dzanga, DZANGA
onddo, Onddo, ONDDO
* polaroid, Polaroid, POLAROID

Ee:
etxebizitza, Etxebizitza, ETXEBIZITZA
besteen, Besteen, BESTEEN
hiltzaile, Hiltzaile, HILTZAILE

Ff:
finantza, Finantza, FINANTZA
* graffiti, Graffiti, GRAFFITI
* naif, Naif, NAIF

Gg:
gaingabetu, gaingabetu, GAINGABETU
* reggae, Reggae, REGGAE
* tuareg, Tuareg, TUAREG

Hh:
haizea, Haizea, HAIZEA
?
* cromlech, Cromlech, CROMLECH

Ii:
inurri, Inurri, INURRI
! xiismo, Xiismo, XIISMO
aizkolari, Aizkolari, AIZKOLARI

Jj:
jai, Jai, JAI
?
?

Kk:
katamixar, Katamixar, KATAMIXAR
* trekking, Trekking, TREKKING
nork, Nork, NORK

Ll:
lege, Lege, LEGE
gerrillari, Gerrillari, GERRILLARI
otsail, Otsail, OTSAIL

Mm:
mahats, Mahats, MAHATS
! kommutagailu, Kommutagailu, KOMMUTAGAILU
* vademecum, Vademecum, VADEMECUM

Nn:
naiz, Naiz, NAIZ
! konnotazio, Konnotazio, KONNOTAZIO
daudenean, Daudenean, DAUDENEAN

Ññ:
ñimiño, Ñimiño, ÑIMIÑO
?
?

Oo:
ortzadar, Ortzadar, ORTZADAR
! koofizial, Koofizial, KOOFIZIAL
asto, Asto, ASTO

Pp:
putz, Putz, PUTZ
* hippy, Hippy, HIPPY
* jeep, Jeep, JEEP

Qq: (*)
! qatartar, Qatartar, QATARTAR
?
?

Rr:
! razional, Razional, RAZIONAL
karramarro, Karramarro, KARRAMARRO
adar, Adar, ADAR

Ss:
saltoki, Saltoki, SALTOKI
* mousse, Mousse, MOUSSE
kirats, Kirats, KIRATS

Tt:
txantxa, Txantxa, TXANTXA
kitto, Kitto, KITTO
hainbat, Hainbat, HAINBAT

Uu:
urrezko, Urrezko, URREZKO
* continuum, Continuum, CONTINUUM
gu, Gu, GU

Vv: (*)
! veneziar, Veneziar, VENEZIAR
?
* leitmotiv, Leitmotiv, LEITMOTIV

Ww: (*)
! waloiera, Waloiera, WALOIERA
?
* bungalow, Bungalow, BUNGALOW

Xx:
xarmant, Xarmant, XARMANT
?
panpox, Panpox, PANPOX

Yy: (*)
* yoga, Yoga, YOGA
?
* chantilly, Chantilly, CHANTILLY

Zz:
zozoa, Zozoa, ZOZOA
* puzzle, Puzzle, PUZZLE
hankaz, Hankaz, HANKAZ

Basque language has not written accents (N and Ñ being separate letters).

Letter pairs representing one sound: LL, RR, TS, TZ, TX, TT, DD, DZ.
IN is commonly used instead of Ñ (palatal N), and IL instead of LL (palatal L).


Kristina Drake
17.Feb.2007 9.03am
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Eben — I will add accented words to my original list unless you want a separate list?

K.


Goran Soderstrom
17.Feb.2007 10.59am
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Excellent idea, Eben! Very useful.

Too bad someone beat me for the Swedish version ;-)
Do you intend to document it someway later on, and post here – or should we just copy from this thread?


Eben Sorkin
17.Feb.2007 11.32am
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Kristina, I am happy to stick with your list of words except that I was thinking it might be ideal to have for instance a seprate a & aacute. Do you see what I mean? It means doubling up on the a ( or trippling?) depending on how many accents are used in french. Actually you can find ( I think...) an authoritative list here:

http://www.eki.ee/letter/

Looking there just now I see that we do need 3 ’a’ entries for french. We need an acircumflex too!

The eki resource can be used to check your list or test somebody else’s. Libraries that have dictionaries, translating dictionaries, are good for searching for words. And then there are online sources too. If we end up missing a langauge I will use those sources to fill in that langauge.

Goran, yes I do intend to collect the examples and if needed correct or add to them because I or anybody else may have left something out or made some sort of error.

When there are a good number of them and they are reasonbaly finnished and share formatting I will try to find a place to keep them. Maybe Typophile will do that - they could live in the wiki maybe - or maybe I will see if the diacritics project will do it or maybe eki will. Certainly I will email the complete text to anybody who asks. And I may be able to serve it from a web site of my own. The main consideration as far as I am concerned is that we maintain this effort as a shared resource freely distributed and kept safe from being hijacked or copyrighted by somebody so it becomes unsharable. I also expect that people may want to make derivative works and even keep those to themselves. I don’t have a problem with that as long as they don’t impinge on our right to share our own versions with each other.


fontality
17.Feb.2007 3.22pm
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Hi everybody. Looks like a cool project. Here’s a german version of the list. I included the three accented letters ä, ö, ü and the former ligature ß.

Feel free to correct, add, etc...

A
analyse, Analyse, ANALYSE
bankettsaal, Bankettsaal, BANKETTSAAL
dingsda, Dingsda, DINGSDA

Ä
äffisch, Äffisch, ÄFFISCH (ä in the beginning is really rare)
märchen, Märchen, MÄRCHEN (no ää exists)
- (no german word ends on ä)

B
belletristik, Belletristik, BELLETRISTIK
ebbe, Ebbe, EBBE
zauberstäbe, Zauberstäbe, ZAUBERSTÄBE

C
chirurg, Chirurg, CHIRURG
taschenbuch, Taschenbuch, TASCHENBUCH (no cc)
-

D
druckerei, Druckerei, DRUCKEREI
paddel, Paddel, PADDEL
strand, Strand, STRAND

E
einheitlich, Einheitlich, EINHEITLICH
entleeren, Enteeren, ENTLEEREN
stausee, Stausee, STAUSEE

F
frieden, Frieden, FRIEDEN
Schifffahrt, Schifffahrt, SCHIFFFAHRT
kaff, Kaff, KAFF

G
Großeltern, Großeltern, GROSSELTERN (No capital ß exists)
roggenbrot, Roggenbrot, ROGGENBROT
gesang, Gesang, GESANG

H
hochhaus, Hochhaus, HOCHHAUS
suchhund, Suchhund, SUCHHUND
reh, Reh, REH

I
insel, Insel, INSEL
liiert, Liiert, LIIERT
mami, Mami, MAMI

J
januar, Januar, JANUAR
verjüngung, Verjüngung, VERJÜNGUNG
-

K
krönung, Krönung, KRÖNUNG
mokka, Mokka, MOKKA (no kk in words of german origin)
gestank, Gestank, GESTANK

L
leidenschaft, Leidenschaft, LEIDENSCHAFT
keller, Keller, KELLER
tal, Tal, TAL

M
musikakademie, Musikakademie, MUSIKAKADEMIE
kammer, Kammer, KAMMER
schlemmen, Schlemmen, SCHLEMMEN

N
name, Name, NAME
kenner, Kenner, KENNER
mann, Mann, MANN

O
offenbarung, Offenbarung, OFFENBARUNG
boot, Boot, BOOT
so, So, SO

Ö
öffentlichkeit, Öffentlichkeit, ÖFFENTLICHKEIT
böse, Böse, BÖSE (no öö)
-

P
pappnase, Pappnase, PAPPNASE
klappe, Klappe, KLAPPE
kap, Kap, KAP

Q
quelle, Quelle, QUELLE
erquickend, Erquickend, ERQUICKEND (no qq)
-

R
rahmen, Rahmen, RAHMEN
rohrreiniger, Rohrreiniger, ROHRREINIGER
über, Über, ÜBER

S
steuern, Steuern, STEUERN
tasse, Tasse, TASSE
gras, Gras, GRAS

ß
-
größe, Größe, GRÖSSE (no capital ß)
maß, Maß, MASS

T
traum, Traum, TRAUM
trittbrett, Trittbrett, TRITTBRETT
anstatt, Anstatt, ANSTATT

U
unruhe, Unruhe, UNRUHE
stauung, Stauung, STAUUNG
frau, Frau, FRAU

Ü
überraschung, Überraschung, ÜBERRASCHUNG
tüte, Tüte, TÜTE
-

V
veilchen, Veilchen, VEILCHEN
revolution, Revolution, REVOLUTION (no vv)
brav, Brav, BRAV

W
wochenende, Wochenende, WOCHENENDE
gewitter, Gewitter, GEWITTER (no ww)
-

X
xylophon, Xylophon, XYLOPHON
luxus, Luxus, LUXUS (no xx)
-

Y
yeti, Yeti, YETI
zylinder, Zylinder, ZYLINDER (no yy)
-

Z
zeitzeichen, Zeitzeichen, ZEITZEICHEN
schutzzoll, Schutzzoll, SCHUTZZOLL
notiz, Notiz, NOTIZ


bennat
18.Feb.2007 7.00am
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I have edited my basque list, because I misplaced JEEP in double J, instead of being in final P. It is corrected now.

I have completed the most part of the list myself, and searched for difficult or loan words in an online basque/spanish dictionary, plus another webpage searching basque texts from the 20th century.

The eki resource gives also Ç and Ü as characters needed to write basque. However, it seems to be an error there:

c, q, v, w, y only occur in foreign words and are not considered part of the alphabet.

As they are needed to write foreign words, they are considered part of the basque alphapet (noted by the Academy of Basque Language).

Ü is never used in standard basque (it has been historically used to represent a sound from a specific dialect, non existent in the so-called “unified basque”). Ç is considered as a variant of C, and following the online dictionary it only appears in the loan word “curaçao”.

I truly like the idea of maintaining this list as a freely distributed shared resource.


peterj
18.Feb.2007 10.55am
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mili and jongseong, yeah hihhulit is definitely a Finnish loan, though the -it is singular in Swedish—plural would be -iter; since it is in the Swedish Academy lexicon (SAOB), I figured I’d put it in there for completeness.

I never thought about the kassa/kasse (or just kass (also=worthless)) confusion, but I can imagine it being tough for a nonnative speaker. Maybe not as tough as those 13 cases to keep track of in Finnish, but still...


Quincunx
18.Feb.2007 4.43pm
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Talking about ’kassa’. Thats also the Dutch word for cashier’s.


Grot Esqué
19.Feb.2007 12.11am
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I think it’s from Italian.


lore
19.Feb.2007 5.12am
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Yep, cassa in Italian means box or cashier or casket if you stretch it a bit...
That basque list is awesome but chantilly, yoga, bungalow, jazz, puzzle, leitmotiv, mousse, hippy, jeep. I don’t know...: )


Eben Sorkin
19.Feb.2007 8.09am
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Are ’loan words’ not allowed? My english list will become less populated without them. Especially the jj words! I don’t want to advocate using loan words when there is a native word that works but in a pinch if the word is in the dictionary then I think it should be allowed to stay. Does this distiction make sense?

Felix, Thank You!


Quincunx
19.Feb.2007 4.28pm
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I tried to avoid loan words in my Dutch list as much as possible.
But I guess sometimes it’s not possible to avoid it. For example, the Dutch word for ’shower’ is ’douche’, which is just the French word. We don’t have another word for it.

I would say, only use loan words if there is no native word containing a certain letter(combination), and when it’s in the dictionary. Like you said. :)


bennat
20.Feb.2007 10.52am
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In my list, I used loan words only if necessary. As they are not frequent formations, I have noted them with an asterisk.

For example, double g is not natural in basque and there can be no native word with it, but ’reggae’ does exist in basque, as it is in the dictionary and it is used. So a ’gg’ combination is only found in loan words, but it may appear in basque texts (there is no other word for ’reggae’).

And yes, there is ’pizza’ too. And we use it! ;)


Eben Sorkin
25.Feb.2007 11.23pm
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I have updated the title because we are still missing some languages - and I should add Czech & Slovakian, and probably other too! I suspect I have missed languages. Do you see languages that are missing? Especially ones you want? Is there any point in Romanized or ’Pin Yin’ Chinese? Is there such a thing as ’Romanized’ Korean? As far As I know there is no Pin Yin equivalent for Japanese. What about Welsh & Irish?


Jongseong
26.Feb.2007 1.48am
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There are at least hundreds of languages left to go if you want to include all languages written in some form of the Roman alphabet! Some major ones are: Turkish, Danish, Polish, Malaysian, Indonesian, Albanian, Afrikaans, Tagalog, Azeri, Estonian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Croatian, Slovenian, Hausa, Yoruba... It makes one’s head spin.

There are several romanization schemes for Korean. The most important ones might be the new official romanization used in South Korea, the old official romanization used in South Korea, the official romanization used in North Korea, the McCune-Reischauer romanization (upon which the latter two are based), and the Yale romanization scheme... Mostly though, people use ad hoc romanizations that stick to no system. I could provide lists, but I don’t see how useful they would be, since romanized Korean serves a limited purpose anyway.


Eben Sorkin
26.Feb.2007 8.24am
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Thanks for clarifing Brian!

romanized Korean serves a limited purpose anyway

So when you see romanized korean maybe it’s for titles, signage and other short purposes not running text - is that right? You would never see a novel or comic book set in Romanized Korean. Correct?

Is there any chance that you could do an additional langauge? Are you a linguist? How did you come to have your Swahili? I was looking at your profile on Typophile but I can’t get much info from it.


Jongseong
28.Feb.2007 2.20am
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So when you see romanized korean maybe it’s for titles, signage and other short purposes not running text - is that right? You would never see a novel or comic book set in Romanized Korean. Correct?

That’s exactly right. A novel set in romanized Korean would be really interesting to slog through, I should say. There were plans in the Soviet Union in the 1920s to introduce latinize Korean, and it’s fascinating to think what the result would have been like if they had gone through with them. I can’t imagine reading in Korean in anything other than the Korean script give or take a few Hanja (Chinese characters).

I would love to contribute an additional language, but I’m all out, I’m afraid. I also speak some Swedish and French, but those have already been covered. I’m not a linguist, though I am deeply interested in different languages; I lived in several different countries growing up. Since you’re interested, my exposure to Swahili was from when I lived in Kenya for two years. Maybe one day I’ll design my long overdue Kenya-inspired typeface...


Eben Sorkin
28.Feb.2007 10.21am
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Thanks for answering my questions!

Do you have any insight into what is the Korean type market like?

Have you designed any Korean fonts? Roman ones?

I lived in Tanzania for 3 years as a kid. It was great. I lived near the beach north of Dar es Salaam for a year and in a concrete house for rest of the time - south west of Dar I think. How old were you in Kenya?

Now I am wondering how best to fill out the missing languages. Probably I should take the ones we have & give them a home. Then maybe we will get the rest of them taken care of.

For some reason I thought that Malaysian & Indonesian used their own scripts and that Roman glyphs would be used in a way more similar to Korean. Can you tell me more about that? It’s cool to hear the name for chinese glyphs in Korean. :-)


Jongseong
28.Feb.2007 5.14pm
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As for the missing languages, I’m sure there are on-line word lists or dictionaries that we could cull the right words from. It would be time-consuming to be sure, but the programmers among us can maybe help automate the process. Volunteers?

I only have an amateur’s general insight into the Korean font scene, but I can tell you it has witness a boom in recent years. Because of the amount of work needed to produce a hangul font, decent ones are still hard to come by, but there have been some really impressive designs. To mention just one development, Hankyoreh, a daily newspaper, introduced a revolutionary news text face with its redesign in 2005—it abandons the traditional scheme of fitting the glyphs into squarish blocks.

I have not yet designed a full Korean font though I’ve drawn some glyphs. It’s too much work. I’ve designed full sets of Roman glyphs (as well as basic Cyrillic and Greek ones), but they’re still works in progress. Maybe I’ll let the see some light in the Critique forum soon..

I have zero background on the Malay and Indonesian languages, but Wikipedia tells me various scripts have been used historically—a modified Arabic script called Jawi which is still in limited use, and before that, Pallava, Kawi and Rencong script. We have Western colonization to thank for the Latin script.


Eben Sorkin
2.Mar.2007 9.58am
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We may be getting an Icelandic entry soon. :-)

I think it is nearly time for the compiled list to be made. I had been asuming that the list authors would want credit. Does anybody *not* want credit in the document?

Where do you want the document to be available to you? If nobody objects I think I might put the document on a small ’type help’ site along with other text files meant to help testing fonts. I should also see if typophile or other sites will be willing to serve the document as well.


mili
2.Mar.2007 10.22am
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Eben, I just altered the Finnish a bit. I had forgotten about the wonderful double-h hihhuli...

Any other Finnish changes are of course welcome!


Eben Sorkin
2.Mar.2007 11.06am
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Awesome!

Sorry if this sounds regionalist or something but , do you have any idea who we might ask for the Danish or the Norweigian?

The way I got someone to do the Icelandic is I went to Luc Devroy’s pages and found and Icelandic type maker. I could do the same for other languages.

I can keep doing that for the missing languages - But if one of us has a friend... ;-)


archaica
2.Mar.2007 6.10pm
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I’m surprised nobody has done Latin yet; perhaps there’s a shortage of native speakers here :) Rather than wait for a native speaker to show up, I threw this list together. Some notes: in ancient Latin lettering, there is no J or W and U is the same letter as V. In modern publications, a distinction between U (vowel) and V (consonant) is often made, and in some modern publications, mostly older ones, a similar distinction is made between I (vowel) and J (consonant). Because the latter is mostly obsolete (more so than the Latin language in general), I have used the modern U/V distinction throughout but only used the modern I/J distinction for the J entries. Any U/V letter could potentially be set as either U or V, though. The letter K is not normally used in modern Latin except for a couple of special words, but it was sometimes used more in ancient Latin instead of C at the beginning of a word when followed by A. The letter W doesn’t exist at all in Latin (though, just to confuse matters, that’s how the V sound was pronounced before the first century AD). For letters that can’t be doubled, I’ve included an example of single occurrence in the middle of a word.

Diacritics are mostly not used, but in textbooks or dictionaries, A E I O U and rarely Y can have a macron or (less often used) a breve. In transcriptions of ancient inscriptions, A E O or U can have an apex (looks like an acute accent) and I can either have an apex or be taller than the other letters.

Edit: I’ve changed all U’s in the all caps words to V’s. This is because lower-case or mixed-case setting of Latin normally occurs in texts where U and V are usually differentiated by modern editors, whereas all cap setting is normally either copying inscriptions or pseudo-inscriptional and thus is more likely to follow ancient practice in not making the U/V distinction. I also added the missing forms of chely.

A
ars, Ars, ARS
phraates, Phraates, PHRAATES [loan words only]
naufragia, Naufragia, NAVFRAGIA

B
buxus, Buxus, BVXVS
subbrevis, Subbrevis, SVBBREVIS
ab, Ab, AB

C
cattus, Cattus, CATTVS
vacca, Vacca, VACCA
hoc, Hoc, HOC

D
damnatio, Damnatio, DAMNATIO
meddix, Meddix, MEDDIX
aliquid, Aliquid, ALIQVID

E
eructamus, Eructamus, ERVCTAMVS
praeemptor, Praeemptor, PRAEEMPTOR
rete, Rete, RETE

F
faenerator, Faenerator, FAENERATOR
officina, Officina, OFFICINA
[none except in abbreviations]

G
glis, Glis, GLIS
agger, Agger, AGGER
magog, Magog, MAGOG [loan words only]

H
haruspex, Haruspex, HARVSPEX
traho, Traho, TRAHO [can’t be doubled]
ioseph, Ioseph, IOSEPH [loan words only]

I
ibidem, Ibidem, IBIDEM
piissimus, Piissimus, PIISSIMVS
latrunculi, Latrunculi, LATRVNCULI

J* [see explanation above]
janus, Janus, IANVS [or JANUS]
major, Major, MAJOR [can’t be doubled]
[none except in obsolete late medieval or early modern spellings]

K [can only occur at the beginning of a word before the letter A]
kalendas, Kalendas, KALENDAS
[none]
[none]

L
laena, Laena, LAENA
caballus, Caballus, CABALLVS
nihil, Nihil, NIHIL

M
mel, Mel, MEL
commodus, Commodus, COMMODVS
enim, Enim, ENIM

N
natalicia, Natalicia, NATALICIA
penna, Penna, PENNA
pan, Pan, PAN

O
opusculum, Opusculum, OPVSCVLVM
laocoon, Laocoon, LAOCOON [loan words only]
mango, Mango, MANGO

P
perna, Perna, PERNA
appius, Appius, APPIVS
[none except in abbreviations]

Q
quingenaria, Quingenaria, QVINGENARIA
atque, Atque, ATQVE [can’t be doubled]
[none except in abbreviations]

R
rabidus, Rabidus, RABIDVS
terror, Terror, TERROR
per, Per, PER

S
sic, Sic, SIC
passus, Passus, PASSVS
nummularius, Nummularius, NVMMVLARIVS

T
transpadani, Transpadani, TRANSPADANI
battuere, Battuere, BATTVERE
et, Et, ET

U* [see explanation above]
usucapio, Usucapio, VSVCAPIO [or USUCAPIO]
duumvir, Duumvir, DVVMVIR [or DUUMVIR]
cornu, Cornu, CORNV [or CORNU]

V* [see explanation above]
volturnalia, Volturnalia, VOLTVRNALIA
avis, Avis, AVIS [can’t be doubled in standard spelling except when using V for both V and U]
[none except when using V for both V and U]

X
xiphias, Xiphias, XIPHIAS [loan words only]
axis, Axis, AXIS [can’t be doubled]
rex, Rex, REX

Y
[none in standard spelling but possible in nonstandard spellings of loan words]
hypocaustum, Hypocaustum, HYPOCAVSTVM [loan words only; can’t be doubled]
chely, Chely, CHELY [only in rare loan words in the vocative case]

Z
zodiacus, Zodiacus, ZODIACVS [loan words only]
rhazes, Rhazes, RHAZES [loan words only; can’t be doubled]
[none]

There are also assorted language-specific typographic arcana like the Claudian letters (an abortive attempt to add three letters to the alphabet) and various symbols used as abbreviations that are mainly of importance for transcribing ancient inscriptions.


Eben Sorkin
2.Mar.2007 8.18pm
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How silly of me not to have requested - Latin. I guess I thought that the number of people who know let alone publish in latin would be too small to hope for something like this. But I am extremely happy to see it! Will you tell us about your relationship to Latin and about publications that are in Latin? Supposedly Latin forms actually look their best in Latin. I think I can see that now.


archaica
2.Mar.2007 8.48pm
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Will you tell us about your relationship to Latin and about publications that are in Latin?

I’m not fluent in the way that a classical literature person would be, but I can read Latin partly because of a few years of it in school and partly because I do Roman archaeology. In publishing, I’ve never done a whole book in Latin, but plenty of short phrases or sentences show up in lots of kinds of books: it’s unavoidable in classics or medieval history or art history, of course, and you also find a bit in other areas like law or medicine, for example.

I probably should have done the all caps words using V for U (HYPOCAVSTVM, for example), but I was afraid that switching the spelling like that would confuse matters.


Eben Sorkin
2.Mar.2007 9.43pm
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Cool! Thanks for the explanation. What do you think about listing it as V/U* ?

Then we can put your explanation after the asterix.

Is that good? Or do you want to switch to the V?


archaica
2.Mar.2007 11.19pm
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Or do you want to switch to the V?

I’ve edited it to a mixed solution, to match the inconsistent ways that Latin is most often typeset.


mili
3.Mar.2007 3.36am
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Sorry, Eben, but I don’t know any Danes or Norwegians :^(
They live too far...


clauses
11.Mar.2007 11.02pm
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Danish to the rescue:

A
alfarvej, Alfarvej, ALFARVEJ
ostemad, Ostemad, OSTEMAD
harmonika, Harmonika, HARMONIKA

B
bistå, Bistå, BISTÅ
prydbusk, Prydbusk, PRYDBUSK
admiralstab, Admiralstab, ADMIRALSTAB

C
ciselør. Ciselør, CISELØR
afdelingschef, Afdelingschef, AFDELINGSCHEF
n/a

D
dille, Dille, DILLE
overdel, Overdel, OVERDEL
hoved, Hoved, HOVED

E
efter, Efter, EFTER
syngespil, Syngespil, SYNGESPIL
mange, Mange, MANGE

F
forbigået, Forbigået, FORBIGÅET
morgenfrisk, Morgenfrisk, MORGENFRISK
bødestraf, Bødestraf, BØDESTRAF

G
gylle, Gylle, GYLLE
eftergjort, Eftergjort, EFTERGJORT
forretning, Forretning, FORRETNING

H
halløj, Halløj, HALLØJ
halshugning, Halshugning, HALSHUGNING
kaffepunch, Kaffepunch, KAFFEPUNCH

I
istid, Istid, ISTID
udspillet, Udspillet, UDSPILLET
afgudsdyrkeri, Afgudsdyrkeri, AFGUDSDYRKERI

J
jættestue, Jættestue, JÆTTESTUE
afgjort, Afgjort, AFGJORT
gravhøj, Gravhøj, GRAVHØJ

K
klister, Klister, KLISTER
stikker, Stikker, STIKKER
anklagebænk, Anklagebænk, ANKLAGEBÆNK

L
listesko, Listesko, LISTESKO
gennemlysning, Gennemlysning, GENNEMLYSNING
gammel, Gammel, GAMMEL

M
mågehøg, Mågehøg, MÅGEHØG
dumsmart, Dumsmart, DUMSMART
alderdomshjem, Alderdomshjem, ALDERDOMSHJEM

N
nyhed, Nyhed, NYHED
åbenbaring, Åbenbaring, ÅBENBARING
fjernsyn, Fjernsyn, FJERNSYN

O
ovengaden, Ovengaden, OVENGADEN
alvorsord, Alvorsord, ALVORSORD
anløbsbro, Anløbsbro, ANLØBSBRO

P
præst, Præst, PRÆST
stoppe, Stoppe, STOPPE
svamp, Svamp, SVAMP

Q
qvinde, Qvinde, QVINDE (archaic form of ’Kvinde’)
n/a
n/a

R
røver, Røver, RØVER
nedløbsrør, Nedløbsrør, NEDLØBSRØR
mangler, Mangler, MANGLER

S
solskin, Solskin, SOLSKIN
afsæt, Afsæt, AFSÆT
åndeløs, Åndeløs, ÅNDELØS

T
tæskehold, Tæskehold, TÆSKEHOLD
åbningstale, Åbningstale, ÅBNINGSTALE
flot, Flot, FLOT

U
under, Under, UNDER
roekule, Roekule, ROEKULE
nu, Nu, NU

V
vejret, Vejret, VEJRET
påvist, Påvist, PÅVIST
gulv, Gulv, GULV

W
wienerbrød, Wienerbrød, WIENERBRØD
trawl, Trawl, TRAWL
oddfellow, Oddfellow, ODDFELLOW

X
xylografere, Xylografere, XYLOGRAFERE
taxa, Taxa, TAXA
sphinx, Sphinx, SPHINX

Y
yver, Yver, YVER
afbryde, Afbryde, AFBRYDE
havneby, Havneby, HAVNEBY

Z
zinksalve, Zinksalve, ZINKSALVE
Forzinkning, Forzinkning, forzinkning
trapez, Trapez, TRAPEZ

Æ
æblehøst, Æblehøst, ÆBLEHØST
trækfugl, trækfugl, TRÆKFUGL
asketræ, Asketræ, ASKETRÆ

Ø
ødselhed, Ødselhed, ØDSELHED
morgengrøde, Morgengrøde, MORGENGRØDE
blomsterfrø, Blomsterfrø, BLOMSTERFRØ

Å
åkande, Åkande, ÅKANDE
automatvåben, Automatvåben, AUTOMATVÅBEN
mørkegrå, Mørkegrå, MØRKEGRÅ

Now who will compile a nice file converted into the Fontlab format?

kind regards,
Claus Eggers Sørensen


Eben Sorkin
12.Mar.2007 12.21am
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Hooray! Thank you Claus!

Now who will compile a nice file converted into the Fontlab format?

I mean to make a unicode text file to make it easy to test a font with all of these glyphs. It will have the other languages here too - and other too as soon as they arrive.

Do you mean a Fontlab file with *just* the glyphs needed for Danish?


clauses
12.Mar.2007 12.51am
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I mean a file that can be loaded into Fontlab’s metrics window, and where all the special characters are in the /oslash format. I suspect that someone has a Python script laying around for just this purpose? By the way, I forgot a word that ends on ’u’, and that would be ’nu’, so I have added it to my original post.


Eben Sorkin
12.Mar.2007 8.40am
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I remember asking about that before. It would go ’r/oslash’ etc. I see... And you are right - there might be a python based way of handeling such things.

I have another project that might be better suied to your request. It’s called - ’brute force testing’. It’s also incomplete but I could make a version of it for you where the ’ø’ is seplaced by /oslash etc. It would be a simple search replace string that even I could do.

Maybe you will like what is there and/or can adapt it yourself. Please feel free to use it.

Or maybe I am off on the wrong foot. Pleae let me know. Anyway, it is here:

http://typophile.com/node/30960


daia
17.Mar.2007 7.36am
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Here is the icelandic list:
I tried to choose challanging words in a typographic sense, such as “umhyggju” (e. Care) which is quite difficult (esp in script fonts) because of all the descenders.

A
afl, Afl, AFL
einkaaðili, Einkaaðili, EINKAAÐILI
anda, Anda, ANDA

Á
ástfanginn, Ástfanginn, ÁSTFANGINN
sjáaldur, Sjáaldur, SJÁALDUR
víðsjá, Víðsjá, VÍÐSJÁ

B
beinlínis, Beinlínis, BEINLÍNIS
abbast, Abbast, ABBAST
gabb, Gabb, GABB

C
N/A

D
drengur, Drengur, DRENGUR
hlýddi, Hlýddi, HLÝDDI
útlönd, Útlönd, ÚTLÖND

Ð
ð- - N/A
ðð - N/A
orðatiltækið, Orðatiltækið, ORÐATILTÆKIÐ

E
eðlisfræði, Eðlisfræði, EÐLISFRÆÐI
ee - N/A
jurtate, Jurtate, JURTATE

É
éljagangur, Éljagangur, ÉLJAGANGUR
éé - N/A
hlé, Hlé, HLÉ

F
framkvæmd, Framkvæmd, FRAMKVÆMD
gaffall, Gaffall, GAFFALL
gróf, Gróf, GRÓF

G
gjörningur, Gjörningur, GJÖRNINGUR
byggja, Byggja, BYGGJA
þvag, Þvag, ÞVAG

H
háleitur, Háleitur, HÁLEITUR
hh - N/A
-h - N/A

I
innilokaður, Innilokaður, INNILOKAÐUR
birkiilmur, Birkiilmur, BIRKIILMUR
skilji, Skilji, SKILJI

Í
ígulker, Ígulker, ÍGULKER
íí - N/A
því, Því, ÞVÍ

J
jafnrétti, Jafnrétti, JAFNRÉTTI
jj - N/A
-j - N/A

K
kjarnyrtur, Kjarnyrtur, KJARNYRTUR
samþykkja, Samþykkja, SAMÞYKKJA
mark, Mark, MARK

L
lamaður, Lamaður, LAMAÐUR
ellilífeyrisþegi, Ellilífeyrisþegi, ELLILÍFEYRISÞEGI
hlátrasköll, Hlátrasköll, HLÁTRASKÖLL

M
málstaður, Málstaður, MÁLSTAÐUR
sammála, Sammála, SAMMÁLA
mánuðum, Mánuðum, MÁNUÐUM

N
nákvæmur, Nákvæmur, NÁKVÆMUR
hannyrðir, Hannyrðir, HANNYRÐIR
bann, Bann, BANN

O
ofbeldi, Ofbeldi, OFBELDI
oo - N/A
svo, Svo, SVO

Ó
óskhyggja, Óskhyggja, ÓSKHYGGJA
-óó N/A / but close: skósóli, Skósóli, SKÓSÓLI
berjamó, Berjamó, BERJAMÓ

P
prakkari, Prakkari, PRAKKARI
peppa, Peppa, PEPPA
kjaftstopp, Kjaftstopp, KJAFTSTOPP

Q
N/A

R
ríkisstjórn, Ríkisstjórn, RÍKISSTJÓRN
kyrrð, Kyrrð, KYRRÐ
brjálaður, Brjálaður, BRJÁLAÐUR

S
sambýli, Sambýli, SAMBÝLI
rassskella, Rassskella, RASSSKELLA
annars, Annars, ANNARS

T
tölvuþrjótur, Tölvuþrjótur, TÖLVUÞRJÓTUR
sáttatillaga, Sáttatillaga, SÁTTATILLAGA
eðlilegt, Eðlilegt, EÐLILEGT

U
upplýsingatækni, Upplýsingatækni, UPPLÝSINGATÆKNI
hænuungi, Hænuungi, HÆNUUNGI
umhyggju, Umhyggju, UMHYGGJU

Ú
útivistarfólk, Útivistarfólk, ÚTIVISTARFÓLK
úú - N/A
þú, Þú, ÞÚ

V
vandræði, Vandræði, VANDRÆÐI
vv - N/A
-v - N/A

X
x- - N/A
xx - N/A
strax, Strax, STRAX

Y
yndisfríð, Yndisfríð, YNDISFRÍÐ
yy - N/A
yngismey, Yngismey, YNGISMEY

Ý
ýmislegt, Ýmislegt, ÝMISLEGT
ýý - N/A
þrumuský, Þrumuský, ÞRUMUSKÝ

Z
z- - N/A
zz - N/A (even though “mezzoforte” was an icelandic band, the word doesn’t exist in icelandic)
stanz, Stanz, STANZ (the letter z was removed from the language in 1974, but the concervative newspaper Morgunblaðið still hangs on to it)

Þ
þangað, Þangað, ÞANGAÐ
þþ - N/A
-þ - N/A

Æ
æðislegur, Æðislegur, ÆÐISLEGUR
hrææta, Hrææta, HRÆÆTA
útsæ, Útsæ, ÚTSÆ

Ö
öryrki, Öryrki, ÖRYRKI
öö - N/A
sjö, Sjö, SJÖ

- - -
best regards,
Dagny Reykjalin
www.reykjalin.com


Eben Sorkin
17.Mar.2007 10.47am
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I tried to choose challanging words in a typographic sense, such as “umhyggju” (e. Care) which is quite difficult (esp in script fonts) because of all the descenders.

Dagny, thank you for your excellent work!

By the end of the month I will have compiled what we have. I will also be working on finding a home for this material so it’s easy to find.


bencibu
16.Jun.2007 9.50am
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Here’s the Hungarian list. I hope it’ll help.

aA: alma Alma ALMA macskaalom Macskaalom MACSKAALOM kutya Kutya KUTYA
áÁ: áram Áram ÁRAM alááll Alááll ALÁÁLL naná Naná NANÁ
bB: bocsánat Bocsánat BOCSÁNAT ebbe Ebbe EBBE bab Bab BAB
cC: cumi Cumi CUMI heccel Heccel HECCEL kudarc Kudarc KUDARC
csCs: csali Csali CSALI fröccsöl Fröccsöl FRÖCCSÖL kalács Kalács KALÁCS
dD: darál Darál DARÁL feddés Feddés FEDDÉS kaland Kaland KALAND
eE: eszik Eszik ESZIK beleenged Beleenged BELEENGED kéne Kéne KÉNE
éÉ: érint Érint ÉRINT eléér Eléér ELÉÉR övé Övé ÖVÉ
fF: fa Fa FA koffer Koffer KOFFER széf Széf SZÉF
gG: galamb Galamb GALAMB aggastyán Aggastyán AGGASTYÁN megég Megég MEGÉG
hH: hézag Hézag HÉZAG ehhez Ehhez EHHEZ méh Méh MÉH
iI: rat Irat IRAT hadiirat Hadiirat HADIIRAT hazai Hazai HAZAI
íÍ: ínség Ínség ÍNSÉG — — — rí Rí RÍ
jJ: járás Járás JÁRÁS ujjak Ujjak UJJAK elektronhéj Elektronhéj ELEKTRONHÉJ
kK: kötőtű Kötőtű KÖTŐTŰ akkoriban Akkoriban AKKORIBAN emlék Emlék EMLÉK
lL: lépés Lépés LÉPÉS ellik Ellik ELLIK felkel Felkel FELKEL
lyLy: lyukas Lyukas LYUKAS gallyak Gallyak GALLYAK mély Mély MÉLY
mM: málna Málna MÁLNA szemmel Szemmel SZEMMEL szemérem Szemérem SZEMÉREM
nN: nem Nem NEM ennem Ennem ENNEM hamarosan Hamarosan HAMAROSAN
nyNy: nyugtat Nyugtat NYUGTAT ennyi Ennyi ENNYI kemény Kemény KEMÉNY
oO: oszt Oszt OSZT kooperál Kooperál KOOPERÁL — — —
óÓ: óra Óra ÓRA forrasztóón Forrasztóón FORRASZTÓÓN adó Adó ADÓ
öÖ: öröm Öröm ÖRÖM — — — — — —
őŐ: őröl Őröl ŐRÖL vámszedőőr Vámszedőőr VÁMSZEDŐŐR kendő Kendő KENDŐ
pP: papa Papa PAPA éppen Éppen ÉPPEN pap Pap PAP
qQ: quartett Quartett QUARTETT — — — — — —
rR: rákos Rákos RÁKOS arra Arra ARRA kalmár Kalmár KALMÁR
sS: salak Salak SALAK sassal Sassal SASSAL híres Híres HÍRES
szSz: szabad Szabad SZABAD asszony Asszony ASSZONY kamasz Kamasz KAMASZ
tT: tanya Tanya TANYA kettő Kettő KETTŐ ugat Ugat UGAT
tyTy: tyúk Tyúk TYÚK hattyú Hattyú HATTYÚ kamaty Kamaty KAMATY
uU: uram Uram URAM kamuutak Kamuutak KAMUUTAK adu Adu ADU
úÚ: úr Úr ÚR hattyúúr Hattyúúr HATTYÚÚR nyomorú Nyomorú NYOMORÚ
üÜ: ütem Ütem ÜTEM süsüütés Süsüütés SÜSÜÜTÉS menü Menü MENÜ
űŰ: űr Űr ŰR tetűűzés Tetűűzés TETŰŰZÉS tetű Tetű TETŰ
vV: vadász Vadász VADÁSZ avval Avval AVVAL hév Hév HÉV
wW: Weöres WEÖRES — — — — — —
xX: Xénia XÉNIA — — — Sztüx SZTÜX
yY: Yvette YVETTE — — — Tolnay TOLNAY
zZ: zarándok Zarándok ZARÁNDOK kézzel Kézzel KÉZZEL ház Ház HÁZ
zsZs: zsarnok Zsarnok ZSARNOK rizzsel Rizzsel RIZZSEL bézs Bézs BÉZS


Eben Sorkin
16.Jun.2007 11.56pm
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Ack! I am red faced. I was supposed to compile what we have. I will soon. I promise.

Szabadkai; Thank you!


bencibu
17.Jun.2007 5.49am
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Hi!
There are two more letters I forgot to add to my list...
dzDz: — — — eddzél Eddzél EDDZÉL edz Edz EDZ
dzsDzs: dzsóker Dzsóker DZSÓKER — — — — — —


Eben Sorkin
17.Jun.2007 4.13pm
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Very Cool. I will be sure to include them.


bencibu
17.Jun.2007 10.58pm
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I’m sorry...
It’s just so awkward but I left one more letter out:S
gyGy: gyár Gyár GYÁR varanggyal Varanggyal VARANGGYAL vagy Vagy VAGY
And this time I looked through the whole alphabet and fortunately it’s complete. You know I was just very confused cause it’s ennormously long.


litera
18.Jun.2007 5.25am
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Slovenian language (Slovenščina)

I guess Slovenian is still missing. It’s very very rare to find words with two consecutive letters of the same kind. I tried to include these in the list and I think I didn’t miss any. At least not as normal words.

A
aranžer, Aranžer, ARANŽER
ščinkavec, Ščinkavec, ŠČINKAVEC
marmelada, Marmelada, MARMELADA

B
beton, Beton, BETON
nebo, Nebo, NEBO
golob, Golob, GOLOB

C
cilj, Cilj, CILJ
generacija, Generacija, GENERACIJA
škric, Škric, ŠKRIC

Č
čevapčič, Čevapčič, ČEVAPČIČ
tačka, Tačka, TAČKA
škripač, Škripač, ŠKRIPAČ

D
delo, Delo, DELO
oddrdrati, Oddrdrati, ODDRDRATI
dvored, Dvored, DVORED

E
edinstven, Edinstven, EDINSTVEN
neenoten, Neenoten, NEENOTEN
ščemenje, Ščemenje, ŠČEMENJE

F
frača, Frača, FRAČA
kamuflaža, Kamuflaža, KAMUFLAŽA
fotograf, Fotograf, FOTOGRAF

G
garaža, Garaža, GARAŽA
kraguljček, Kraguljček, KRAGULJČEK
psiholog, Psiholog, PSIHOLOG

H
hiša, Hiša, HIŠA
muholovec, Muholovec, MUHOLOVEC
oderuh, Oderuh, ODERUH

I
iskalnik, Iskalnik, ISKALNIK
priimek, Priimek, PRIIMEK
žeti, Žeti, ŽETI

J
janež, Janež, JANEŽ
piljenje, Piljenje, PILJENJE
čevelj, Čevelj, ČEVELJ

K
kajža, Kajža, KAJŽA
karikatura, Karikatura, KARIKATURA
porok, Porok, POROK

L
lipicanec, Lipicanec, LIPICANEC
polič, Polič, POLIČ
naval, Naval, NAVAL

M
mladenič, Mladenič, MLADENIČ
rimljan, Rimljan, RIMLJAN
glavkom, Glavkom, GLAVKOM

N
nudelj, Nudelj, NUDELJ
ženska, Ženska, ŽENSKA
šifon, Šifon, ŠIFON

O
obrtnik, Obrtnik, OBRTNIK
stoodstoten, Stoodstoten, STOODSTOTEN
lepotilo, Lepotilo, LEPOTILO

P
pašnik, Pašnik, PAŠNIK
šepet, Šepet, ŠEPET
konop, Konop, KONOP

R
rjuha, Rjuha, RJUHA
čvrst, Čvrst, ČVRST
komar, Komar, KOMAR

S
sadje, Sadje, SADJE
posoda, Posoda, POSODA
zanos, Zanos, ZANOS

Š
šebesa, Šebesa, ŠEBESA
kašelj, Kašelj, KAŠELJ
bombaš, Bombaš, BOMBAŠ

T
tečaj, Tečaj, TEČAJ,
motovilež, Motovilež, MOTOVILEŽ
krepost, Krepost, KREPOST

U
učenje, Učenje, UČENJE
poučno, Poučno, POUČNO
kanu, Kanu, KANU

V
višnja, Višnja, VIŠNJA
krvav, Krvav, KRVAV
češnjev, Češnjev, ČEŠNJEV

Z
zelje, Zelje, ZELJE
gozdar, Gozdar, GOZDAR
namaz, Namaz, NAMAZ

Ž
žičnica, Žičnica, ŽIČNICA
možakar, Možakar, MOŽAKAR
srečnež, Srečnež, SREČNEŽ


Great project. Very usable stuff. I would like to see the end result of this project as a PDF file with all language words.


Eben Sorkin
19.Jun.2007 12.31am
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I could make it a PDF file but I was thinking an Opentype compatible pure text file might be better from a font testing point of view. It would be easy to past into indesign or wherever. Maybe I am not understanding something about PDF. If I understand it I have a better chance of making the kind of document you want. So: Why PDF?


Eben Sorkin
19.Jun.2007 12.43am
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Oh! And thank you Robert!


litera
19.Jun.2007 4.20am
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Sorry you’re right. A plain text file would probably be much better in Unicode format. You could paste it anywhere you’d like.

BUT. A PDF could be very usable. If you’d layout all these (one language per page for instance) using some perfectly complete font, there would be no problem on any platform to see how it should look like. Because If you’d be opening a text file and displaying with incorrect font, you wouldn’t see those texts.

So for usability purposes both would serve all purposes. Text file to lay out your own font (or any other) and PDF as a reference.


Eben Sorkin
19.Jun.2007 8.44am
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VERY well put. I will do just that. Thanks!


Eben Sorkin
19.Jun.2007 3.08pm
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(From Mili)

Finnish:
A
ahven, Ahven, AHVEN
maalaaja, Maalaaja, MAALAAJA
kukka, Kukka, KUKKA
B
blini, Blini, BLINI
abba, Abba, ABBA
C
celcius, Celcius, CELCIUS
D
derivaatta, Derivaatta, DERIVAATTA
E
etätyö, Etätyö, ETÄTYÖ
teepannu, Teepannu, TEEPANNU
kalle, Kalle, KALLE
F
foliorulla, Foliorulla, FOLIORULLA
puffi, Puffi, PUFFI
sinebrychoff, Sinebrychoff, SINEBRYCHOFF
G
grilli, Grilli, GRILLI
aggressiivinen, Aggressiivinen, AGGRESSIIVINEN
H
häntä, Häntä, HÄNTÄ
hihhuli Hihhuli HIHHULI
pöh, Pöh, PÖH
I
iilimato, Iilimato, IILIMATO
piimä, Piimä, PIIMÄ
talvikki, Talvikki, TALVIKKI
J
jalopeura, Jalopeura, JALOPEURA
kaija, Kaija, KAIJA
K
kuorma-auto, Kuorma-auto, KUORMA-AUTO
pakkanen, Pakkanen, PAKKANEN
L
lainelauta, Lainelauta, LAINELAUTA
mollukka, Molukka, MOLLUKKA
sammal, Sammal, SAMMAL
M
märehtijä, Märehtijä, MÄREHTIJÄ
mämmi, Mämmi, MÄMMI
N
nenäliina, Nenäliina, NENÄLIINA
pannukakku, Pannukakku, PANNUKAKKU
pörriäinen, Pörriäinen, PÖRRIÄINEN
O
ohjauspyörä, Ohjauspyörä, OHJAUSPYÖRÄ
soosi, Soosi, SOOSI
valvomo, Valvomo, VALVOMO
P
pääministeri, Pääministeri, PÄÄMINISTERI
oppipoika, Oppipoika, OPPIPOIKA
Q
R
raitiovaunu, Raitiovaunu, RAITIOVAUNU
parrasvalo, Parrasvalo, PARRASVALO
tytär, Tytär, TYTÄR
S
sammakko, Sammakko, SAMMAKKO
kassi, Kassi, KASSI
vatsakas, Vatsakas, VATSAKAS
T
tähtivyö, Tähtivyö, TÄHTIVYÖ
päättäjäiset, Päättäjäiset, PÄÄTTÄJÄISET
hölmöt, Hölmöt, HÖLMÖT
U
uimakoulu, Uimakoulu, UIMAKOULU
muuttua, Muuttua, MUUTTUA or kuu-uutinen, Kuu-uutinen, KUU-UUTINEN
almu, Almu, ALMU
V
vilkkuva, Vilkkuva, VILKKUVA
W
wirtanen, Wirtanen, WIRTANEN
X
Y
yrjänä, Yrjänä, YRJÄNÄ
pyynikki, Pyynikki, PYYNIKKI
hyppy, Hyppy, HYPPY
Z
zacharias, Zacharias, ZACHARIAS
Å
åland, Åland, ÅLAND
Ä
äiti, Äiti, ÄITI
määkiä, Määkiä, MÄÄKIÄ
pähkinä, Pähkinä, PÄHKINÄ
Ö
öylätti, Öylätti, ÖYLÄTTI
töölö, Töölö, TÖÖLÖ
kylmiö, Kylmiö, KYLMIÖ


Elias
20.Jun.2007 10.24am
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Danish II, because more is more:

A
almisse, Almisse, ALMISSE
temaaften, Temaaften, TEMAAFTEN
endda, Endda, ENDDA

B
brændenælde, Brændenælde, BRÆNDENÆLDE
skrubbe, Skrubbe, SKRUBBE
sejlskib, Sejlskib, SEJLSKIB

C
cykel, Cykel, CYKEL
succes, Succes, SUCCES
avec, Avec, AVEC

D
drillepind, Drillepind, DRILLEPIND
væddemål, Væddemål, VÆDDEMÅL
husflid, Husflid, HUSFLID

E
enhjørning, Enhjørning, ENHJØRNING
ydeevne, Ydeevne, YDEEVNE
formue, Formue, FORMUE

F
flødeskum, Flødeskum, FLØDESKUM
skuffejern, Skuffejern, SKUFFEJERN
strejf, Strejf, STREJF

G
gnubbe, Gnubbe, GNUBBE
tiggergang, Tiggergang, TIGGERGANG
køjeseng, Køjeseng, KØJESENG

H
hjemve, Hjemve, HJEMVE
n/a
squash, Squash, SQUASH

I
inderlomme, Inderlomme, INDERLOMME
viis, Viis, VIIS
ismejeri, Ismejeri, ISMEJERI

J
jordemoder, Jordemoder, JORDEMODER
hajjæger, Hajjæger, HAJJÆGER
genvej, Genvej, GENVEJ

K
kvindelighed, Kvindelighed, KVINDELIGHED
gækkebrev, Gækkebrev, GÆKKEBREV
fræk, Fræk, FRÆK

L
lillefinger, Lillefinger, LILLEFINGER
halmballe, Halmballe, HALMBALLE
hvedemel, Hvedemel, HVEDEMEL

M
mimre, Mimre, MIMRE
fornemmelse, Fornemmelse, FORNEMMELSE
grim, Grim, GRIM

N
nedenunder, Nedenunder, NEDENUNDER
venner, Venner, VENNER
hvidvin, Hvidvin, HVIDVIN

O
orden, Orden, ORDEN
zoologisk, Zoologisk, ZOOLOGISK
nabo, Nabo, NABO

P
pjalt, Pjalt, PJALT
sjippetov, Sjippetov, SJIPPETOV
snurretop, Snurretop, SNURRETOP

Q
quilte, Quilte, QUILTE
n/a
n/a

R
rulleskøjte, Rulleskøjte, RULLESKØJTE
tørrestativ, Tørrestativ, TØRRESTATIV
regnvejr, Regnvejr, REGNVEJR

S
skadestue, Skadestue, SKADESTUE
nasse, Nasse, NASSE
drivis, Drivis, DRIVIS

T
tidsel, Tidsel, TIDSEL
skvatte, Skvatte, SKVATTE
spjæt, Spjæt, SPJÆT

U
ugle, Ugle, UGLE
uundværlig, Uundværlig, UUNDVÆRLIG,
jomfru, Jomfru, JOMFRU

V
vindue, Vindue, VINDUE
halvvejs, Halvvejs, HALVVEJS
sjov, Sjov, SJOV

W
weltervægt, Weltervægt, WELTERVÆGT
n/a
show, Show, SHOW

X
Xenofobi, Xenofobi, XENOFOBI
n/a
grandprix, Grandprix, GRANDPRIX

Y
yderst, Yderst, YDERST
n/a
daggry, Daggry, DAGGRY

Z
zinktryk, Zinktryk, ZINKTRYK
quizzen, Quizzen, QUIZZEN
hetz, Hetz, HETZ

Æ
æggekage, Æggekage, ÆGGEKAGE
trææske, Trææske, TRÆÆSKE
danefæ, Danefæ, DANEFÆ

Ø
øllebrød, Øllebrød, ØLLEBRØD
søørred, Søørred, SØØRRED
ønskeø, Ønskeø, ØNSKEØ

Å
årstid, Årstid, ÅRSTID
smååndsvag, Smååndsvag, SMÅÅNDSVAG
græsstrå, Græsstrå, GRÆSSTRÅ


Eben Sorkin
20.Jun.2007 10.30am
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Thanks very much Elias! :-)

At some point ( soon) I will have to choose between examples for the danish to make an integrated document. Is there anything you want to say about the two sets? You can write to me directly ( via my profile) if you prefer it.

If I can get the French finished I think I will be ready to make a v.1 document.


Grot Esqué
20.Jun.2007 10.33am
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These are more or less finnish.

B
kebab

D
addiktiivinen

I
iloinen

I thought ‘iloinen’ might be better than ‘iilimato’ because there’s a double-i word, too.


Elias
20.Jun.2007 11.06am
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You are welcome :)
Regarding the two lists: pick the words that fit your purpose best. In choosing, I would try to also include words with common pairs of letters like hj, hv, sj and sk. The only word I would not recommend from the first list is “quinde” since this is an outdated spelling and not kosher.
Danish and Norwegian spelling is very similar, but, if required, I can get you a Norwegian list as well. And, with a little more labour, also Faroese and Greenlandic if interested. Especially Greenlandic has a lot of dubble letters and might be interesting. Have a look at This page in Greenlandic, Danish and English.


Endre Berentzen
20.Jun.2007 3.34pm
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Hi. Do you have Norwegian yet? If not let me know; I’ll try to make one over the weekend.