No special ranking, but definitively placed into the Top 10
- (Especially monotheist) religion(s)
- To divide something in black and white only and forget about different shades of the grey in between.

- To divide something in black and white only and forget about different shades of the grey in between.

Poor Floyd and Steinberg.

Colonialism and all derivatives.

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AL
lenart.pl

Finding the fiancée with someone else. Oh, and OS 9.

That mindless, ubiquitous phrase: “it’s all good.”

•Political Correctness.
•State Run Liquor Stores
•Electronic Customer Service, or really any Customer Service, it should be Customer Dis-Service.
•Taxes and Audits
• content edited out
•Reality Television

I’m sure I could think of a few more, if pressed.

Reality TV - yup. How about the relatively new category: “celebrity”?

Compiling things into lists.

Wow, how about: “intolerance”?

I’m not intolerant, and I’m sorry I brought it up.

I beg to differ with Aziz on Condoms, they save lives, and prevent disease and unwanted pregnancies.

(Of course if you are someone who would put sex on this list rather than on the Best Discoveries list, then I guess you’d have to include condoms too.)

Multinational corporate hegemony.
Breast implants (and, ahem, by extension, Hooters Restaurants). ;-)

A sense of the past and future.

peace

Paris Hilton and everything she represents.

Pretty much all aboce except sex shops! Whats wrong with them mate?

Muzz

I don’t think any invention related to facilitating consensual sex is all that bad...I mean, it’s just sex, yeah? Anyway, my votes (edited to contain only less inflammatory subjects):

- celebrity gossip rags
- the double space after a period
- agribusiness
- the musical ringtone

Puns

ChrisL

Globalisation
Lifestyle of faster-higher-bigger
Fast food

Georg

> Pretty much all aboce except sex shops!
> Whats wrong with them mate?

Muzzer reminds me of a friend who used to say:
” I am still clean because I use condoms?!”
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> I beg to differ with Aziz on Condoms, they save lives, and prevent disease and unwanted pregnancies.

Pattyfab, Answers in brackets
... they save lives (by preventing pregnancies?)
and prevent disease, (with healthy spouses?)
and unwanted pregnancies (No Alternatives?!)
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One apple (pear) a day keeps the doctor away?!

Aziz, condoms save lives by preventing AIDS. And here in the west one doesn’t only have sex with a spouse. In fact half of Americans are unmarried according to a new study and you bet we’re having sex. That’s why we take care to use condoms. And thank god for them!

I suspect our political and religious differences on birth control, sex, population control, the role of women in society, etc. are probably irreconcilable and I’d rather not go into it here except that you brought it up...

proselytizing

the Republican Party

“light” beer

pride

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jlt : http://www.hewnandhammered.com : rnrmf!

Forced indoctrination.

So what about one night stands? They sure help out then.

What about them?

I might be leaning a little too far out the window here, but I think that the idea that sex should only take place within marriage, and only for the purpose of procreation, may rank up there with the worst “inventions” ever ;-)

>In fact half of Americans are unmarried according to a new study and you bet we’re having sex. That’s why we take care to use condoms.

Pattyfab, I can’t resist responding, but I just want to point out that it’s possible that you’ve reversed the cause & effect here.

>And thank god for them!

I agree entirely when they’re saving lives in africa, but when they’re replacing loving commitments, that’s another thing IMHO.

I don’t think I’d put condoms on the list of “best” inventions ever. But they certainly do not belong on this page’s list. Patty is correct.

>but when they’re replacing loving commitment

How to they replace loving commitment?

The idea that the very existence of birth control automatically leads to promiscuity is a bit far-fetched.

So you don’t think the stat pattyfab cited about marriages is at all related to the availability of birth control?

I’m not saying they’re in lockstep with each other, but it’s not very “far fetched” to posit a fairly strong relation between them IMHO.

I’m not even against birth control; I’m just saying that its had fairly strong social consequences. And I can see why non-westerners, for example, would be a bit leery about introducing it.

ah well, he obviously doesnt live in perth where everyone **** everyone else!!

Muzz

Muzz, sounds like a lovely place. :)

its called the real world

More praise for condoms:

Condoms reduce the risk of infections, even in monogamous relationships.

Condoms are the most effective method of family planning. Family planning reduces the drudgery of parents, and increases the life expectancy of women, many of whom would otherwise die of complications from pregnancy or childbirth.

Large families were worth that risk in the past when infant mortality was higher, but not now.

Contraception in marriage reduces the danger to mothers of childbirth, and is also more humane than the rhythm method. Even if carefully practised, the rhythm method fails 20% of the time, as ovulation is too variable to predict accurately. Most dangerous, eggs fertilized at the extremities of the fertile period of the menstrual cycle — which is most likely when the method fails — are more prone to non-viable pregnancies, resulting in natural abortion of the foetus. So using condoms is less dangerous. In fact, surgically aborting “condom failures” results in less aborted foetuses than the rhythm method.

Condoms are also safer than the birth control pill, which has significant side effects.

Of course, these are statistical arguments based on human behaviour as it mostly is, rather than the way fundamentalists would like us to be.

BTW, nice font...

>So you don’t think the stat pattyfab cited about marriages is at all
>related to the availability of birth control?

No, actually. I believe that instead it is related to:
1) the ability of men and women (but especially women) to decide if they want to be married or not, and

2) the ability of men and women to decide, if they are already married, that they do not want to be married any longer.

Both of these decisions used to be quite more difficult to make, and in many parts of the world are still unlikely options.

Yes, dan, true. And part of this “ability” you speak of is the availability of birth control. I’m not sure what’s so mysterious about that. I agree entirely that other aspects - tradition, social controls, etc. - come into play as well. Cheers!

Yeah Dave mate, it;s a beaut place! Lots of men & women loooking to have a good time whichever way you swing!!

Muzz

what’s up with that font nick? its a bit kiddie-like. I like that FF one they use better.

Muzz

Muzz, okay, you’ve convinced me, I’m there. If you’re around, I’ll be the one with no clothes and a whole suitcase of condoms.

I’ll be a sort of “Bostonian Gone Wild” in Perth. :-)

That’s the spirit dave mate! make sure to grab some Mount Gay rum duty free and your set for life!!

Muzz

And how about gay men who can’t get married in most places no matter how badly they want to? Condoms have saved countless lives.

And no, I don’t think the availability of birth control is the reason fewer people are married. It’s the reason fewer people are having unwanted babies perhaps. Marriage is overrated anyway (except for Georg’s).

Muzz, Fontesque is FF too.
I guess the idea is playful, rather than underage.
Cocon is the other one. Great name for a condom font...

Marriage is overrated anyway (except for Georg’s).

Me too please — today is my 30th anniversary.

just because people are married (to each other) and love each other doesn’t mean that they should be forced to have children if they don’t want to. they should still be able to have sex without getting knocked up constantly. to think women should be forced to be pregnant just so that they can enjoy sex is frankly fantastically sexist and very hateful.

OK, Georg’s, Nick’s and don’t forget Bald Condensed - speaking of which, Yves, thank you for the beautiful card!

This thread is probably too far off track to matter, but I’ll just toss my list out:

- socialism/communism
- fascism
- imperialism/colonialism
- light beer
- Comic Sans

Nick—sorry mate, I am a bit of a munter sometimes! And congrats on 30 years!! I hoipe all the rest are good ones.

Muzz

Nick, 30 years? My proverbial hat is off to you! Congratulations. I’m in my late 30’s and not (yet?) married, which is why I’m heading to Perth with my suitcase & rum.

Joshua, of course I agree with your post.

My wife and I have been together since 1969. I am amazed she isn’t sick of my puns by now :-)

ChrisL

ChrisL, puns? Are you sure that’s the worst she has to put up with? :)

Patty Marriage is overrated anyway (except for Georg’s).

Marriage is great, guess that’s why I’m on my third.

And last. :-)

Well puns and talk about type and... Damn, she really has lots to put up with!

ChrisL

1. Cars

> Condoms are also safer than the birth control pill, which has significant side effects.

Self-Control is safer and healthier than both? Evidences:

“Marriage is great, guess that’s why I’m on my third. And last. :-)”
Linda Cunningham

“My wife and I have been together since 1969. I am amazed she isn’t sick of my puns by now :-)”
ChrisL
_______________________________
That’s why both remain Physically Fit + Mentaly Alert

war

________
Hiro

Self-Control is safer and healthier than both?

But self-control is a jail, and jails are on your no-no list.

In Europe, the EU tries to define standards for everything, from the sizes and consistence of tomatoes up to laws. Yes, its useful for trading within Europe of course.

Years ago they discussed the measurement, quality of material and so on of condomes, produced in Europe. They wanted a Europa DIN of 160 mm lenght, but the italian (stallions) insist on 170 mm :-)

Here what you single guys have to order in foreign countries:

Ägypten: kabbud
Argentinien: preservativo
Australien: condom
Belgien: préservatif, condoom
Brasilien: preservativo, camisinha
Chile: preservativo, condón
Dänemark: kondom, gummi
Estland: kondoom, presku
Finnland: kondomi, kumi
Frankreich: preservatif, condome, capote anglais
Griechenland: prophylaktico, kapota
Großbritannien & Irland: condom rubber, french letter
Italien: profilattico, preservativo, gomma
Japan: kondomu
Kolumbien: preservativo, condon
Kroatien / Serbien / Mazedonien: kondom, prezervativ, kurton
Luxemburg: praeservativ, gummi
Marokko: kabbud
Niederlande: condoom, kapotje
Norwegen: kondom
Österreich: kondom
Peru: preservativo, condon, poncho
Polen: prezerwatywa, gumka
Portugal: preservativo, camisa de venus
Rußland: gandon, preser
Schweden: vard, kondom
Schweiz: preservatif, profilattico
Slowenien: kondom, olagumi, gumi
Spanien: preservativo, gomma
Südafrika: condom
Tansania: condom, mpira, yababa
Thailand: thung anamei, sya fon (auch: Regenmantel)
Tschechische Republik: kondom, prezervativ, guma
Türkei: prezervatif, lastik, sapka
USA: condom, prophylactic, contraceptive, rubbers, jimmy- / willie-hat

I for myself don’t use ’em, ’cause I’ve a flatrate :-)

Georg

I find the Maroccian expression for condoms – «kabbud» – a bit, er, unfortunate.

> But self-control is a jail, and jails are on your no-no list?

Nick, Refraining from **** = Imprisonment?
Of course, by going to sex shops once a week, it is impossible to control **** after short pushpulling due to the saturation of the eyes and the overload of the eggs?!

— Open Source
— George Walker Bush - poster boy for Abortion
— Fox News
— Religion
— Chalkboard
— Arsenal and Gooners
— N.Y. Yankees
— Snowboards
— Internet Explorer 7

“— Open Source”

As in the open source movement?

“‘cause I’ve a flatrate “

LOL!!! Georg!

ChrisL

@ Florian

I find the Maroccian expression for condoms – «kabbud» – a bit, er, unfortunate.

May be this a one reason of the difference in demographic factor comparing Morocco and Switzerland/Germany :-)

Georg

okay, maybe this thread doesn’t qualify as one of the worst discoveries ever, but definitely a low point on typophile. :^(

>Open Source

Yes bad since I’d prefer to be paid for my work. I’m not going to write code or do anything that I give away unless I get something for it.

Yes bad since I’d prefer to be paid for my work. I’m not going to write code or do anything that I give away unless I get something for it.

So would you say that charity and volunteer work are also among the worst inventions ever?

– Neo Luddites (see ’condoms are bad’ posts above)

Aziz:

Your rejection of the condom as an object seems to stem from distaste towards the freedoms it represents. The implied moral deficiencies of the promiscuous vs the goodness and reserve of the monogamous.

Sex outside of marriage is not something that will decrease, especially given the ’westernisation’ of cultures that traditionally frown on such behaviour. That is a cold, hard fact of life given that people find sex enjoyable whether married or not. Taking the moral high ground is effectively the same as sticking one’s head in the sand and hoping the associated problems will go away.

Your dislike would be better directed toward the promiscuous without condoms, the condom itself does make the world that bit better

Better to direct our ire towards the Bush administration which preaches abstinence over birth control when abstinence is quite obviously NOT working.

Overpopulation is the biggest problem facing the world today (besides of course religious fanaticism). Is it morally better for a husband and wife to have 8 kids when they can barely afford to feed even themselves than to practice responsible family planning? And by this I do not mean abstinence.

As I said in the other thread, I think God is perhaps the worst invention ever.

“Yes bad since I’d prefer to be paid for my work. I’m not going to write code or do anything that I give away unless I get something for it.” -Vinceconnare

Too bad, Vince. Some of my very best work was done for free - mostly for charities or for the public at large in general. It’s tremendously liberating to do work for everybody or nobody and not have to worry about a paycheck - you should try it!

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jlt : http://www.hewnandhammered.com : rnrmf!

Charity it to help people who need help. So Open Source is hippy software and charity is helping people not giving things to lazy hippies who don’t want to work or pay for anything.

p.s. you got Comic Sans maybe for free as part of something you bought but I got paid.

it’s thaaaaaat time again!

time to stick pickles up our noses?

no, time for the wheel of morality

wheel of morality, turn, turn turn, tell us the lesson we should learn...

and today’s lesson is... lesson #4: never ask what hotdogs are made of.

1. Brush Script, all caps

2. Forum threads designed to promote one’s personal moral agenda.

Condoms - pleeez, are you f’ing high!

not f”ing enough is what I think LOL

hmmmm. This thread seems like it’s warming up to be a candidate for The Silence Brigade....

I’ve got one that should calm things down...

...the female ****.

I’m sure we can all agree on that one, even it’s for diametrically different reasons ;)

I’m not wearing my moderator’s hat for what I’m about to say and it in no way represent’s Typophile. These are my thoughts only.

I appreciate that everyone has differeing opinions, this is part of what keeps the world moving. But sometimes I feel that your opinions are being stated as fact and not just your opinion. I’m a little hurt by some of the comments in this thread. I don’t have very thick skin, but I certainly don’t go out of my way to say provocative things either, at least not in regards to religion and sexuality. I think both are highly personal and each of us should have respect that others might not feel the same.

I’ve taken it personally. A huge mistake. But I felt as if someone has to say something.

This is still a forum, right? You pop in and drop some rap about “condoms being bad” it’s gonna provoke some people. We all have to be quiet now because some people cant bear to see someone else take their lumps? This thread wasnt started in good faith, as it were. If someone wants to disperse their beliefs about sex (that’s right, sex) and what a “proper” relationship between a man and a woman is, I’d hope people here would pipe up and let them know if they’re out of line. Which is what seemed to be happening.

And if you’re offended by the conversation stop following it. The thread will burn out eventually and no harm will come to anyone. Some people may even benefit from the debate.

@ Miss Tiffany

I understand what you mean.
And I felt like you reading someones entry here about God.
This is very private and needs respect.
And I felt.. no, not hurt. But.. well, its not okay for me.

Than I remembered Rosa Luxemburg, you know her?
She said:
“Freedom everytime it the freedom of the people thinking in another way, you do.”
So I decided to ignore this entry.

On the other hand:
I think its very interesting to see people from lots of countries (not only US, I guess) and what they post.

Georg

Some people may even benefit from the debate.

I’d agree with you if this was a debate.

But it isn’t.

A debate is when two groups present their arguments, and everyone agrees that the other side has valid points and there’s some sort of consensus, even if it’s simply to agree to disagree.

This is more like “I’m right and you’re wrong” from both sides, with it going on and on and on and on....

Great for a playground of Grade 3 students, maybe, but the last time I looked, that wasn’t what Typophile is about.

Maybe I’m wrong?

The thread will burn out eventually

You know it’s on its last legs when it gets into the meta-discussion about whether it’s a good discussion or not. (That was a meta-meta- comment :-)

>In fact half of Americans are unmarried according to a new study

FWIW, this study reflected changes primarily because it includes teen aged women as adults, and today teens marry much less frequently than before. The other big factor is late marriage. Contraception has promoted late marriage; I don’t see how you can argue otherwise, as this is the main factor that has changed. Whether this is good or bad is another issue.

The NY Times report was, however rather tendentiously written, wanting to ’prove’ the unpopularity of marriage. Here is another interpretation of the same data:

“Even including the younger, supposedly “post-marriage” generation, and considering all women above the age of 30, some 61% are currently married and another 12% are widowed. In other words, nearly three-fourths (73%, a crushing majority) of all women who have reached the tender age of 30 now occupy a traditional female role as either current wives or widows - avoiding the supposedly trendy status of divorced, separated, co-habiting or single.”

Also it is still true that over 90% in the US marry during their lifetimes. The lower numbers currently married primarily reflects late marriage and divorce, not a lack of desire to marry. However, marriage has, in a very bad sign, become increasing divided by class, with the poorer people less likely to marry, and more likely to raise children alone.

Condoms? Freakin’ condoms get everyone upset, rushing to their defense? I have to say, goodness, when was the last time you wore one? Or partnered with same.) Wearing a vinyl straightjacket the midsummer dance floor in is more comfy. Remember all the fun of youth, struggling with it, expectations mounting, hope dwindling? So, yes, they make my list.

I therefore decree everyone here absolutely wrong. Or, right for the wrong reasons, which is still wrong. Even if you agree with me now it is too late, you are still wrong. And women aren’t excluded, when they are approximately half the problem.~

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I’m not going to write code or do anything that I give away unless I get something for it.

I agree completely. Think about it.

I’m sorry if any of my comments offended, being guilty of the “god” post. I often feel offended by the assumption in my country that if I don’t believe in god (or as such defined by monotheistic religion) my values are not worth representing in government. I am offended by the role of someone else’s god in government and civic life.

But I recognize that this forum is not the place for that and again sorry if I caused offense.

Patty

>I often feel offended by the assumption in my country that if I don’t believe in god (or as such defined by monotheistic religion) my values are not worth representing in government.

I understand what you mean and where you’re coming from, and I sympathize with you, I really do. Speaking for myself, I wasn’t offended. But I do disagree (emphatically) with you that god is an “invention.”

I’m an anglo-catholic, and it saddens me when people so misunderstand my faith, and assume all sorts of things without knowing anything about it, and catagorize me along with some (theoretical) unthinking “fundamentalist.” From my perspective, it seems as if there is a deep-seated contempt for religion and faith/god - and that this is one of the last “socially acceptable” prejudices.

Anyway, peace to all. Cheers!

David,

Considering that the religious right has had the upper hand for the last 6 years, I feel pretty marginalized myself... interesting how different our viewpoints are. It’s a tough divide to cross and this admin has polarized it unnecessarily. I feel that civic life should be open and tolerant of all faiths (and lack thereof) and not promote any one faith over the others, and my frustration stems from not feeling like the “other side” feels the same way. I mean when our first Muslim congressman gets pillaried for wanting to be sworn in on the Koran, we have a real problem.

I hate to see the way religion has torn the world asunder, that people fly planes into buildings in the name of god, and are then condemned for their own godlessness. It just makes no sense to me and it feels like these days “faith” is causing more harm than good. Or maybe it’s just the hypocricy of many of the self-proclaimed faithful. I can’t imagine either Jesus or Mohammed being happy with the state of world affairs.

That said, I have seen how my uncle’s faith and the community of his synagogue has helped him through the recent death of his wife, and must recognize that there is good there too.

Pattyfab, I couldn’t agree with you more. The sort of “faith” that condemns and divides, or worse, inspires people to fly planes into buildings, isn’t really “faith” at all, but a vicious dogma. True faith is a rare and precious thing, and anyone who is sure he/she possesses it, probably doesn’t. I think this is what Oscar Wilde and Kierkegaard meant when they ventured the subtle propostion that the prodigal son was closer to god & faith than his siblings, who were so self-assured in their uprightness, and perhaps never more so than when he was with prostitutes and hogs.

Well ultimately we are measured by our actions, not what we think.

And on this, the difference btw the faiths narrows somewhat. Karma = the golden rule.

Worst Discoveries/Inventions EVER
As typophile non-moderator I have decided to lighten the mood with a serious whine-fest:

floaties- never share drinks with your kids
Wal-Mart ’people’- for typophilers outside the US- its a disgrace.
’the inland empire’ - you’ll only get it unless your from LA
chollos (a gangster) - huge baggy pants and huge t-shirts are for clowns
Versace- the mens line is still very “Birdcage”
cake icing that’s not real icing- it tastes more like wipped cream and its very disappointing
myspace- uhhh... I have one
the ’new’ medications- “If you have a pulse, ZARATHRAX may not be for you”.
anti-aging creams- ladies (and gents)- give this one UP!!! They don’t work!!!
Cosmo Girl- C’mon, teaching teens to have **** with their clothes on?
Ryan Seacrest- this synthetic heterosexual persona dressed in Fred Segal has got to end!
WWF- its for the kids and its fake
Ambercrobie and American Eagle Outfitters Stores... Teenies- Just Say NO!!!!
Trance Music- John Digweed IS a digweed.
Butt Rock- Warrant, White Snake, Slayer, Pantera- you know who you are!
karate lessons for kids- and they still get jumped in school
McMansions- the same materials used in building your sanitized clone of the american dream, can be used to make an original environmentally sound prefab.
Madonna- a.k.a the mattress with a microphone
women who constantly swish their hair behind their ears- you are not cute, you have OCD
the expression “baby daddy”- you actually don’t know who he is do you?
pasties
Alcoholics Anonymous- mixing religion, psychology, and philosophy in a ’non-judgemental’ way is a cocktail that drives me to drink.
men wearing white pants, with matching mesh ’tops’ and tinted blue sunglasses- leave those looks for J-LO
J-LO- you can dance and you have a nice backside but that really is it
Cy Twombly- I know I’m not the only one insulted by this man’s ’art’.

http://www.new-york-art.com/Mus-Whitney-cy-twombly.htm

Windoze- 3.1 was cute but now the joke isn’t so funny any more.
Lazy housewife/husband products- the Swiffer ain’t gonna pick up ’jack’.
rodeo drive- its weak and for tourist, the best shopping is at the south coast plaza and everyone knows it.
Judy Chicago- this so-called feminist artist really makes porn for men (don’t google)
energy drinks- one step short of the slippery slope into REAL drugs
Type 11 errors- System 7 was the ’bomb’.
’rims’- they reduce the value of your vehicle and self-worth
farmers markets- they really buy their goods from the super market and charge you triple because you’ll feel good about it
soft jazz- for elevators and for offices- that’s it
soft jazz ’artists’ using euphemisms to spice up their snoozey music: Avert your ears from recordings entitled “Saxuality” at all costs!!!!
the burning man- desert orgies in the name of what again?
Typestyler- super-market graphics never looked so stretched and skewed
fashion designers- they still don’t make clothes for people who consume food
iTunes- the reality is that the music quality is not as good as a compact disc- thanks Steve
Steve- you have billions- wear some DIFFERENT clothes
Richard Simmons- he’s fabulous, ferocious, and FAT! Blind can’t lead the blind.
Jessica Alba movies- talent? umm, no.
cigarettes- they kill off the non-smokers first and then granny ’cigs-pack’ lives 75 more years

posing- trying to be cool leads to disappointment- see: J-LO man

Okay guys be nice and loving to one another,

Mikey

PS... as least the ’top’ isn’t mesh.

Now I know i am an out-of-it old fart, I don’t have a clue what Mikey is talking about up there :-)

ChrisL

Pattyfab, Invented gods are helpless?!

Paul d hunt
> and today’s lesson is… lesson #4: never ask what hotdogs are made of.
The (Cows+oxen)-in-hotdogs-out must help the hotdogs-in-(Cows+oxen)-out?!
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Chris G> > Your rejection of the condom as an object seems to stem from distaste towards the freedoms it represents.
________ No, my rejection of the condom as an object that does stem from distaste towards the pleasure it suppresses.

> That is a cold, hard fact of life given that people find sex enjoyable whether married or not.
Never turned my back to a free lady save once to an ostrich-dressing one!

You must be ticklish :-)

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/R/rembrandt/ostrich_feather.jpg.html

HELVETICA ROUNDED FLAIR

I mean... why?

Héctor

Nick Shinn, Ticklish to “A Kiss for you” and similar Computer Viruses

Worst Discovery: animated gifs.

Sorry Aziz, they drive me crazy.

1. Worst EVER lists... ;-)

I agree with those who are calling for TSB...

Silencio, por favor.

Mikey - Thank you! Some truly funny observations. “Saxuality” - just priceless! :)

This thread has more legs than the Best Discoveres thread.

A sign?

peace

What I see is:
Some of you take this thread very serious.
But why?

Does we always take care of political, moral and ethic correctness?
Yes, we do.
But who’s its controller of the correctness?

Its not new that e.g. lots of US-americans have a extrem range between prudness and a maximum of a self-satisfied bourgois ethic standards, on the one side and for 180 degree different real life. But its better to recognize other associations of “good” and “worse” and not to judge to fast about the people who announce it.

May be, love & peace was not only a cult in the 70ies, but a little revolution of the hearts.

So I for myself can read the comments of perhaps much more younger collueges of what they love and hate very relaxed.
May be ’cause with 51 years I am old enough to know what is important in life and what’s not.

Georg

GraphicFuzz>>> Your welcome!

When you hear a soft jazz rendition (more like abomination) of Santana’s ’Black Magic Woman’ you regurgitate a little bile....

Mikey

Perhps it it is communicating accross languages and being bile-lingual :-)

ChrisL

But its better to recognize other associations of “good” and “worse” and not to judge to fast about the people who announce it.

It is, but that’s not the way America works. After PC infected liberal academia in the 1990s a long list of words and topics became taboo or tasteless simply because discussing them might offend someone; topics that were once only inappropriate at the dinner table became inappropriate everywhere.

But time has not been kind to PC, and it is dying off, albeit slowly. I think that this is mostly due to comedians like Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle, who are able to use their intellect and wit to remind us that simply banishing the use of the word **** in no way actually deals with racism. Their work has shown us that we can come to a much greater understanding of each other by communicating than we can by simply sweeping a little language under the rug.

Jpad, I agree wholeheartedly! However, IMHO, political correctness is alive and well; only, it’s so much more subsumed into our language/culture that it was ten-years ago, it’s not nearly as noticable.

Cheers!

>A sign?

I think it’s a sign that hope has died a bit, maybe a lot.

peace

>A sign?
I think it’s a sign that hope has died a bit, maybe a lot.
peace

You’re quoting yourself? Yeah, that’s a sign.

Maybe folks should just trust that a dialog (what this forum was designed for) will occasionally spark some dissent. Perfectly normal, perfectly healthy. It baffles me that some people find their opinions to be soooo precious they think the ultimate punishment is to withhold their opinion.... and, of course, to annouce it before they do so. Bravo! You’ve done so much to encourage the free-flow of ideas here.

PC or not, this is plain weak.

dezcom... your puns are definitely on my ’best inventions’ list :-)

Mikey

Why all this pushing and shoving in the 20s and 30s?
- Shinkichi Takahashi

peace

It baffles me that some people find their opinions to be soooo precious they think the ultimate punishment is to withhold their opinion…. and, of course, to annouce it before they do so.

Yeah well said man, as a Christian, if I was easily offended by people challenging my beliefs either in a well-thought out and methodical way or in a flippant dismissive way I’d just be a big blistering ball of indignation by now.

I think we should stop treating beliefs as if they were house of cards that might collapse with the breath of someone saying, “yeah I might not actually agree with you on that one” AKA committing the only mortal postmodern sin. I think we should, however, always work hard to extend the kind of respect to people of all beliefs that we would like extended to us.
cheers

—N

“After PC infected liberal academia in the 1990s a long list of words and topics became taboo or tasteless simply because discussing them might offend someone...”

Such as?

This reminds me of one of my favorite moments in Neil Stephenson’s Cryptonomicon. This sort of tech-savvy hacker type is defending his statements about women being less proficient generally in certain areas amongst a group of high-minded academic sorts that his girlfriend knows. He’s got this great line that I love, because it strikes at the heart of what people don’t like about so-called PC thinking:

“See, you are being a little paranoid here and focusing on the negative too much. It’s not about how women are deficient. It’s more about how men are deficient. Our social deficiencies, lack of perspective, or whatever you want to call it, is what enables us to study one species of dragonfly for twenty years, or sit in front of a computer for a hundred hours a week writing code. This is not the behavior of a well-balanced and healthy person, but it can obviously lead to great advances in synthetic fibers. Or whatever.”

But I’ve also had a lot of ugly talk excused to me because I’m being “too PC”, so the door swings both ways for me on this one.

Such as?

Serious discussions of race, race relations, religion, gender, and capitalism.

this is really a test - i’m new & just signed on - hi everybody.

best inventions: love, music, humor, party lights,
worst inventions: hate, WMD’s, slavery, speaker-phone

CH> What are/is WMD’s????

Mikey

PS... Welcome to Typophile. This particular thread is not Typohile’s finest but its worthy of a laugh or two (for me at least). Sometimes it gets heated here: abortion, illegal immigrants, sexuality, morality, the war, etc. These topic have absolutely ZERO connection with typography and most moderators wince at threads as these. Be yourself without trying to hurt others is name of the game. :-)

Sometimes it gets heated here: abortion, illegal immigrants, sexuality, morality, the war, etc. These topic have absolutely ZERO connection with typography

So, there is real frickin’ life, then there is that thing called type? (Grr. I agree.) I’m doing what I can to cure that. Long ways to go, I know.

> These topic have absolutely ZERO connection with typography and most moderators wince at threads as these. Be yourself without trying to hurt others is name of the game. :-)

SuperUltraFabulous, there is a difference between a Zero-Width Joiner and Zero-Width non-joiner?

Everything ties back to type. Without type we would know nothing of all of the greatest/worst things of history, let alone the great/horrible thing known as the internet.

Type is the fundamental mass-communication device used to distribute propaganda and poetry. It has been an active part of nearly every item on this and the other list, as well as being a part of the lists.

No other items on the list can say that, outside of the primæval discoveries.

Mikey,
WMDs are the mythical things that launch thoughts of invasion in the minds of some leaders of what, until recently, used to be free world.

ChrisL

good answer, dezcom!

(Mikey, WMD is our convenient abbreviation for Weapons of Mass Destruction)

on the topic of visual representation of non-verbal information (“without type we would never...”) here is an image i found years ago online but i have not been able to find it again despite keyword searched for every relevant term. it is supposedly the oldest example of written music. it is coptic egyptian, approx. 2000 years old. the colors are thought to represent different voices and the sizes represent loudness or duration. enjoy !

I’m glad Vinceconnare got paid for the comic sans that I got for free as part of a bundle, even though I never actually used it and deleted it from my HD immediately (nothing personal, but I don’t like having type that I’ll never use cluttering up my machine).

Vince, a huge portion of open source software is not “hippie stuff” - what about all the medical diagnosis tools and imaging software that is used in third world countries, poor clinics and other places that can’t afford to make a big company even richer? What about statistical modeling packages and GRASS and things like that which are used at public universities around the world? Should college students be forced to go into debt to buy commercial software, when kind-hearted and socially responsible developers want to give them something for free?

I honestly have never encountered vitriol directed at people who let their intellectual property be used for the good of everyone. I had no idea that an opinion like yours even existed. However, viva la difference, right?

and on another note: I think God is probably the best and worst of all social constructions (math would be the other, probably). Maybe not quite as much good has been done in its name as bad, but a lot of good that - in a world that believes in things like angels and fairies and easter bunnies - probably wouldn’t have happened without the fear of or love for God.

Can’t we all just get along? Even Vince?

JLT

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jlt : http://www.hewnandhammered.com