(x) "Masculin Feminin" French film (Jean Luc Godard) - Neuzeit Grotesk {Erik S}

Dominic Forde's picture

There was a post by 'ktz' back in October I found in the archives about this font. I watched the film the other night and loved the typeface too. The sample ktz found did look hand drawn - but I think there must be a mechanical version, check out the attached sample I came accross. Can anyone have another go at identifying this for us?

cheers,

Dom

Lex Kominek's picture

I don't see the sample.

- Lex

Dominic Forde's picture

Here is the attachment

Lex Kominek's picture

Upon first glance, I'd say it's a custom Futura (based on the A, U, L, N, F, E, T, and R) but the S is closer to a grotesk than a geometric, and the M just looks strange.

- Lex

Dominic Forde's picture

Thanks Lex. The M is my favourite character. Not so sure about the dot on the letter i mind you. I still think it might be a font as opposed to a basterdised version of Futura since it was probably made in the 60's and I wouldn't have thought they'd muck about with existing fonts in those days as much as people to today.

Stephen Coles's picture

The Bande à part titles are also interesting.

nicholasgross's picture

No, I dig the wilfulness of the I and the wrongness of the M, I love this.

I really doubt it is futura, to me the L and the E look too condensed, the S is different, the C is different, the numerals don't work either, I wonder why you'd change a font this much when it wouldn't seem like too much trouble to produce your own.

I really like this, did I say that already?

--N

Dominic Forde's picture

Yeah, the numerals really stood out in the film as being pretty special. Thanks for link to Bande à part Stephen. Maybe he collaborated consistently with a specific typographer, they kind of feel like they were designed by the same person?

Dom

eriks's picture

That is a slightly customized (the M) Neuzeit Grotesk, probably the Black weight from URW.
There used to be a Berthold BQ version, but that doesn’t seem to be available anymore, not even from you know who.

Stephen Coles's picture

I think the Mann got it. It's just right, down to the numerals. All you need to do is snip the 'M' and add a dot to the cap 'I's.

Dominic Forde's picture

Wow thanks guys, Love yer work Erik!

Dom

Lex Kominek's picture

<Wayne>We're not worthy. We're not worthy.</Wayne>

- Lex

ac54's picture

what about the Q guys?

http://typophile.com/node/64578

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bobbygrotesk's picture

What have they done to one of my favourite faces.

That M and dotted upper case I is just strange as Lex puts it.

ktz's picture

jeez, talk about WAY late to this conversation — wish I had known earlier!

This typeface was actually completely hand-drawn, though, may have been based off of another typeface from the era. That being said, I haven't been able to find any evidence that it was nor have I been able to find any evidence as to who actually did draw this typeface for the film. Going out on a limb, thus far my guess is that it was either Godard's editor Agnes Guillemot, some random, uncredited genius, or Godard himself (which I'm not discounting).

I'm actually in the midst of creating a typeface inspired by the these titles in masculin-feminin (in my free time, so it is taking a while). During my research, I found out that Godard was actually the nephew of Maximilien Vox—who was still alive during the production of these films, so perhaps he played a role as well. I got in touch with Godard's production company in search of the truth, but have yet to hear back....but will keep trying.

Attached an images from my typeface that is in the works...hopefully coming sooner rather than later!

Stephen Coles's picture

See also: Jean-Luc Typeface by Carvalho and Bernau.

ktz's picture

yeah, I saw that when it was released—heartbroken of course that someone had completed it before I (it is a great typeface though!). Lucky for me, they were inspired by a different film!

Stephen Coles's picture

Oh yeah, don't let it stop you. Still a very different design.

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