(x) Shawmut Sterling Group intricate script - hand lettered {Dav}

weeliam's picture

Just wanted to know the name of this font. I know that font or similar exist.... Thank you.

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Dav's picture

That certainly would be hand lettered.
But you may like 'Zaner', by fellow Typophile Paul D Hunt.

Dav

weeliam's picture

Hand letter for sure. But i've seen the font on many prints and magazine. So it should be edited as a font....

Thank you anyway

BruceS63's picture

It is indeed hand lettered, and is a variety of Spencerian script, so look at Spencerian-influenced typefaces.

weeliam's picture

Ok, thank you. But they dont look exactely like the font.
Take a look at the covers attached... They use this font, and i dont think they hand-write it for each issue ! Also, i saw it on other printed matters.

Spencerian is the more similar, but i think that a font inspired by the handwriting letters of Herb Lubalin does exist. Well, seems hard to find !

dezcom's picture

I think we need the Norbert take on this. He studied with Herb.

ChrisL

dezcom's picture

Also, your example reminds me of something from an old U&lc issue.

ChrisL

Norbert Florendo's picture

> I think we need the Norbert take on this. He studied with Herb.

Nope... I never even had the pleasure of meeting Herb Lubalin. He started teaching typography at Cooper Union after I graduated. By the time I became involved with ITC and PLINC he had passed away (1981).

Renko's picture

Oh, these fonts you mean. The font on the covers is Mommie from Hubert Jocham. You'll find it in the Display-Department. Of course.

weeliam's picture

Whaooww......
I saw this website long time ago : This guy is a font genius.

Thank you Renko!

Renko's picture

Glad to help, Weeliam. You are welcome.

dezcom's picture

Sorry Norbert--I had bad intel :-)

ChrisL

bowfinpw's picture

Seems like we got off track here -- Mommie is on the magazines, but it is NOT the same as the posted sample we were asked about. There is an old font called Treasury that has been recently revived by Canada Type. It has some resemblances to the hand-drawn lettering of the sample.

- Mike Yanega

bowfinpw's picture

Also, rather than Herb Lubalin, wouldn't you say it was Ed Benguiat who did the fancy calligraphic scripts? Certainly that's who shows up in the Photo-Lettering Catalogs with the Spencerian script styles, along with M. M. Davison and Frank Bartuska (among others).

Just trying to see if we can give the design credit where it might be due.

- Mike Yanega

Norbert Florendo's picture

Also Tom Carnase and Tony DiSpigna were quite good at the Spencerian forms.

kostal's picture

Yeah, what I gathered from research was that Lubalin used a croquil pen (which by the way, anyone know where one goes about finding such a device?) to do the sketches and then would hand them on to a partner to do the "grunt work."

On Spencerian Script: There's a book with some nice samples of early american penmanship called "An Elegant Hand: The Golden Age of American Penmanship and Calligraphy" by William E. Henning, Paul Melzer. Lots of interesting writing (and some illustrations using the writing techniques/drills) by people that had more patience than I could ever have... they tell how young Platt Spencer saved and saved for one sheet of paper and up until that day he had been practicing his writing on bark! It's out of print but worth checking out if your library has it or you find it at a good price.

dezcom's picture

"Lubalin used a croquil pen (which by the way, anyone know where one goes about finding such a device?"

I might still have an old one in a box somewhere but caligraphy stores should still supply them. Try Googling for it?

Here is a link or 2:

http://www.dickblick.com/zz209/01/

http://www.utrechtart.com/

ChrisL

kostal's picture

I've tried googling and ebaying, but no avail. To be honest, I don't even know what the thing looks like. What seperates it from regular pens?

edit: ah, i see, crow quill, thanks!

dezcom's picture

Go right to the link in my first post. It shows a picture and you can buy it online right there from Dick Blicks.

http://www.dickblick.com/zz209/01/

ChrisL

kostal's picture

gotchya, i must've been replying when you put the links in. wasn't aware of the alternate name, just read it in the herb lubalin book. thanks chris.

peter_bain's picture

I'll chime in with this fact:
both the Shawmut logo *and* the Mommie font (taken probably from the reproduction in Leslie Cabarga's book) are either the work of or inspired by Tony DiSpigna.

Without his personal development of script forms, none of these would exist. And another reason for all designers to learn how to draw without beziers...

BruceS63's picture

If I remember correctly, Carnase and DiSpigna both worked with Lubalin at some point, so it is possible that while Lubalin designed Weeliam's example, one of the others might have lettered it.

peter_bain's picture

"Herb Lubalin; Art Director, Graphic Designer, and Typographer" by Snyder and Peckolick, 1985 shows the Shawmut logo (tinted in the same blue) and is Weeliam's source. It's credited to DiSpigna. Carnase's work is separately credited in the same book.

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