Most recent issue of CA

Eric_West's picture

I was at BN tonight, and I picked up the most recent issue of CA. Now I really like CA, so don't think I'm knocking it. See cover. I'd like to hear thoughts on the illlustration, whether it's implied meaning (commercialization/exploitation) could have been expressed with more clarity and sophistication. My thoughts after a few seconds were, the illustration was repeating itself multiple times over, given the audience (us) the point would be made immediately w/o the swoosh or 'pod buds. IMHO

fontplayer's picture

Ok, I think this one will work for Paul. (inspired by the t-shirt thread)

Paul Cutler's picture

OK. You win. I guess it really is Friday.

I did like that second blue one though…

peace

ER's picture

Castro told writers and artists, "Inside the revolution, everything. Outside the revolution, nothing." But Castro decided who was inside and who was out.

er

david h's picture

[edit: if you want - see that thread http://typophile.com/node/20731]

Miss Tiffany's picture

It's my job to watch. :^>

I wasn't aware of Che's prejudices, but all the same I don't think it is/was relevant.

Paul Cutler's picture

Miss Tiffany is absolutely right. It was bound to cause sorrow…

peace

fontplayer's picture

I guess it really is Friday.

And man was I ready. A lot of customers decided to have emergencies this week, and invited me to come along.

ER's picture

>but all the same I don’t think it is/was relevant.

>It was bound to cause sorrow…

I guess I'm just a fan of free flow, warts and all, you know, human nature, not a fan of any censoring. But this is really such a well-designed and pretty place, we shouldn't get it the least bit dirty.

er

ER's picture

fontplayer, typophobic is perfect! see what the free flow does. Have no clue what it means but it sounds damn good. er

Paul Cutler's picture

I often get deputized into fire drills, but it's usually by marketing.

I want to buy a toy firemans hat with a turning light and a siren and run down the halls screaming "Out of my way!".

And when they say "Make it Pop!" I want to explain that they don't make ink with gunpowder in it but people like you make me wish they did…

peace

ER's picture

"And when they say “Make it Pop!” I want to explain that they don’t make ink with gunpowder in it but people like you make me wish they did…"

LOL! Fridays is great around here. look at trippy "peace" Cutler loosen up!

er

fontplayer's picture

I want to buy a toy firemans hat with a turning light and a siren and run down the halls screaming “Out of my way!”.

I WANT ONE TOO!

Paul Cutler's picture

Edel, you've haven't been here very long. Miss Tiffany has seen many things get a little - over the top. We are very lucky to have her.

Discourse without boundaries is great in theory, like many things, and sometimes not so great when implemented, like many things…

peace

ER's picture

Does she read EVERYTHING? Tiffany, I feel for you, thanks for the censorship! joke, joke. (If you're there) er

fontplayer's picture

I kind of like playing with Che. Must be the "Free Angela Davis" in me coming out to play.

Warning: This is in no way meant to condone the use of illegal substances. It is only meant for shock value. Any other use is not proscribed.

hrant's picture

> Che was HOMOPHOBIC.

You should hear about Eric Gill...
Hopefully though even if you do you won't stop using his fonts.

hhp

ER's picture

>You should hear about Eric Gill…

I'd love to, but unfortunately, I'm sure it's all been cleaned up by now. Again, censorship gets in the way of learning. He couldn't have been THAT bad, still around making bad cliche art like myself. Tiffany, can you e-mail me some gems from the Eric file, are they at headquarters? er

ER's picture

Hrant, was Tiffany on a lunch break when you were calling us elves, could've used her you know. :>

fontplayer's picture

calling us elves?

Maybe he meant it in a good way.

ER's picture

fontplayer:

"THE LITTLE PEOPLE always think what they’ve seen in their own lifetimes is what counts." —Hrant

I'm very short, and I was offended! Hrant is elfophobic! And we should do something about it!

er

ER's picture

fontplayer:

I was checking out some of your posts on the shirt thread and just doubled over laughing like a loon in front of my mac. really great, vile stuff (in a joking, non threatening way of course)

You mentioned Sandoval before, ever heard "Los Van Van"? I know, music thread, right Tiffany? er

fontplayer's picture

“THE LITTLE PEOPLE always think what they’ve seen in their own lifetimes is what counts.”

I think he was just quoting Gandalf.

You mentioned Sandoval before, ever heard “Los Van Van”?

Yes, I have purchased a CD of theirs, but it was more commercial, as I recall. Or maybe it was over-produced, or something. I forget. Sandoval has surprised me many times, and that isn't easy when you are as musically jaded as I am. Probably the biggest surprise, considering he is probably the best all-around (high notes & technique in various styles, including classical) in the world, was this CD.

I know, music thread, right Tiffany?

I think even Miss Tiff has to admit this thread has a life of its own.
; )

fontplayer's picture

The romantic Che...

timd's picture

Tim

dezcom's picture

LOL Tim!!!
You got him by the gills :-)

ChrisL

lore's picture

Brilliant.

hrant's picture

You must have a t-shirt of that made.

hhp

kristin's picture

LOL! Now that's esoteric!

RN Lee's picture

"Man, as usual I’m the one in the room saying the wrong thing. "

Not from where I'm standing. I mean, you're from Cuba, and you've got Americans lecturing you about how you need to forget the lies TV has told you about Cuba. You did the damn cover under discussion and you've got type designers questioning your illustration and graphic design chops. You've been lectured about how awesome Che was by an avowed *monarchist.*

I'd be a lot more irate than you've been, at this point.

RN Lee's picture

"I wasn’t aware of Che’s prejudices, but all the same I don’t think it is/was relevant."

Well, it's not like it's restrained to Che. Twentieth-century Communists are noteworthy for being *more* violently and fatally homophobic than twentieth-century Christians, even. The gay rights movement in the US, for instance, had its real beginnings in gay members being run out of the American Communist Party in the forties and fifties. And I can't think of a single Communist regime, offhand, that *hasn't* persecuted gays on a grand scale, and commonly to the point of death.

So...I think this has a lot of bearing on a discussion that's touching on political issues and Che's alleged heroic stature.

hrant's picture

> I’d be a lot more irate

Yeah, BOMB the ingrates! (Then steal their wealth.)

hhp

ER's picture

It's official, the cat now has 10 lives! Week two begins, grab a drink (and some pizza), here we goooooo!

ER

RN Lee's picture

"Yeah, BOMB the ingrates! (Then steal their wealth.)"

Do you know any other songs besides that one and the one about how great kings are?

ER's picture

Yep, there's another one—"Feed the World (with type)"

ER

hrant's picture

Dude, I have enough for a "best of" compilation even.

hhp

Paul Cutler's picture

Better watch it or soon you'll be on VH1s "Where Are They Now"…

Or better yet KTel. I have a song on a KTel record and I can openly admit it.

peace

ER's picture

From the compilation:

"Devil in a Blue Suit"!
"America the Stupid! (though I choose to live here)"!

ER

hrant's picture

You've reminded me of a killer full-page ACLU ad I once saw in the
LA Times: "Who do you call when the gang is wearing blue uniforms?"

hhp

RN Lee's picture

I have a song on a KTel record and I can openly admit it.

Is it Freedom Rock? Well, then, TURN IT UP!

ER's picture

That's right, when the ---- hits the fan there's always the ACLU. I love those guys. Don't know any royalty that would approve of them though...

So many people have said my work looks like something a Freshman would do. I'm really starting to think I failed now. I was hoping it would be seen as Sophomoric.

ER

Paul Cutler's picture

RN Lee - Actually it was death punk. Still want me to turn it up?

Edel - I'm glad your experience here has been good but it isn't always so.

I remember having long hair in Phoenix Arizona in the late 60s and early 70s and being a target of the police. And I'm a white guy. I have been threatened with death by a County Sheriff for being the last to leave a desert party, manhandled and arrested for Disturbing the Peace for asking if it was illegal to be in a park, stopped countless times and generally harrassed. I fly under the radar now but I am still afraid of them.

Hrant and I know from living in the shadow of Daryl Gates (the former Chief of Police here in LA) that there are many inequities. And once in a while the people do something about it.

Unfortunately it is usually not a productive effort.

peace

ER's picture

Cutler,
Again, I think I was misunderstood. When I said I love the ACLU, I actually meant it! Am I the only Liberal anti-Communist in the room? Those aren't exclusive of each other.

I've had bad experiences here too. Not a lot of fun having the name Rodriguez on your license when you get stopped in Alabama by the cops. Or driving with a van full of "Spanish Folk" through the south to visit colleges. So, I'm all for the civil liberties, you know.

I don't trust the military over in Iraq. It's made up of a bunch of American law enforcement that enilisted in the Reserves. There's a lot of those that just want to go around cracking skulls and worse. So, yes, I'm aware of all this stuff, and not proud of it at all. A lot of it is despicable. So, if my writing has left an impression that I'm a right winger, I apologize. I'm just a fan of democracy, where the ACLU can go around suing the government, the media can show pictures of Abu Ghraib, and we can sit here in this little "forum" bitching about everything without fear that someone will be knocking on our door. I know Hrant, they're coming, but I don't think so. Here, come get me: Bush is an IDIOT!

ER

William Berkson's picture

>Liberal anti-Communist in the room

Present

Paul Cutler's picture

Given your experience being anti-Communist makes sense. Given mine, being anti-American makes sense. I'm not.

I don't have that much time anymore for anti…

peace

hrant's picture

> I remember having long hair in Phoenix Arizona

I remember wearing a kafiyyeh on my way to the F1 race in Phoenix, and the waitress at the roadside diner breaking down, contorting her face and asking: "What does THAT mean?!" That was before 9-11 though. These days I would simply get shot (after paying the bill of course).

You are certainly well-trained.

> Daryl Gates

Another fond memory: the transmission in my old 2002 started failing and I made an illegal u-turn to avoid getting stuck in a really bad way. A cop pulled me over, and when he was unfazed by my circumstance, I uttered the classic "To protect and to serve you like a King, eh?" The guy, indignant, spurts out: "Hey, I'm OCPD, not LAPD!" That was funny. Anyway, when you push their limits just a little bit (which I've done dozens of times - I've lost track really) you see their true colors.

But really, the problem with US cops isn't that they're unjust, it's that effectively they've become fundraisers. Even our John Butler, a fiery military-family Republican, agress with that. The thing is, what else can they be, in such a single-mindedly capitalist society?

hhp

Paul Cutler's picture

Actually right after 9-11 someone shot and killed some poor Sikh in Phoenix. Payback…

Phoenix is a strange place.

I remember sitting in a bar and some guy walking in wearing a gun on his hip, handing it over to the bartender, sitting down and having a few, getting his gun back and going on his way.

I was visiting home recently and my brother came home from work with a .45 strapped to his hip. I just said "That's something I don't see every day" and laughed.

I remember being in LA on LaBrea just south of Melrose with some friends of mine "performing" on the street near the original Vinyl Fetish. We had instruments and kitchen utensils and were playing some ungodly form of "music". We also looked pretty weird. The cops approached us and asked if we were on drugs and I said "We're on every drug that has every been invented but we don't have any of them with us and we love you". They just kind of looked at us for a moment and then told us to go home…

peace

ER's picture

Well, I think the difference between you guys and me is, forgive me, your stupid, and I'm not. What the hell you going around inciting cops for? Maybe the real difference is that I know they'd very swiftly kick a spic's ass like mine, so I just give them a lot of "yes sir" and "thank you sir". That's gotten me by just fine in the South. Would probably work in Phoenix or L.A., give it a try next time.

ER

Paul Cutler's picture

There was no incitement when the County Sheriff threatened to kill me and leave me in the desert except that I existed and had long hair and he had a shaved head. I guess that's a pretty good reason…

BTW it's you're stupid… :)

peace

ER's picture

Well, that was the 60's and hippies were going to take over and smoke a lot of dope so everybody was oh so scared!

yeah, I know how to spell, I just write too fast. Spelling bee champ 4th, 5th, and 6th grade, in English, so step off !

And you're not anti-anything anymore? Come on? Here are a few:

The BeeGees?
Journey?
Britney Spears?
Celine Dion, you gotta hate her.

ER

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