(x) narrow gothics on Blue Note Records sleeves - Compacta, Inserat Gothic {Geoff, Mark S}

SuperUltraFabulous's picture

Hi there:

For the life of me I can't seem to find these... Help!
I have seen these about a billion times- no make that a trillion times- but I just can't remember where I have seen them.


I think 'blackjack' and 'XAVER' are the same... I think.

Thanks guys for helping,

Mikey

Geoff Riding's picture

Looks a lot like Permanent, but it's not.

Geoff Riding's picture

Compacta? This is Super Common. :^)

lettertiep's picture

Hanseatic? (Bitstream swiss 924)
the d & r are different tough.

franzheidl's picture

"Xaver Fischer Trio" is definetely Compacta, the face on the Donald Byrd Cover probably too, but this was done before digital type i presume, so there might be small differences to the various digitzed versions…

Geoff Riding's picture

Yeah I'm pretty sure it is pre-digital Compacta. There's only minor differences between the digitised Compacta and this sample. Blackjack... and Xaver... are the same face I'm sure.

SuperUltraFabulous's picture

Xavier Fisher Trio is a new group.

Donald Byrd- to my knowledge- old Blue Note stuff.

Mikey

poms's picture

"blackjack donald byrd" could be Helvetica Ultra Compressed

regards

franzheidl's picture

No, it couldn't, your image actually shows Compacta (edit: or something very close), poms.

Helvetica Compressed:

Geoff Riding's picture

I think we're all confusing each other here. The sample Thomas linked IS Helvetica Ultra Compressed. However, "blackjack donald byrd" isn't Helvetica Ultra Compressed, look at the a upper-bowl-join and the counters are narrower than Helvetica UC.

Bald Condensed's picture

> Blackjack… and Xaver… are the same face I’m sure.

Nope, definitely not -- we're looking at two different faces here. Compacta, the face of the second sample, has a very recognisable square structure, while the blackjack face has unmistakably rounded tops (check the lc 'a' and 'c' for example).

The first one is pre-digital, so it could even be a different width of Anzeigen Grotesk that didn't end up being digitised. I don't think it's Helvetica Compressed as the ascenders extend higher and the typical awkward swoop at the top of the bowl of the lc 'a' is clearly different than your sample.

Geoff Riding's picture

> Nope, definitely not — we’re looking at two different faces here. Compacta, the face of the second sample, has a square structure, while the blackjack face has unmistakably rounded tops (check the lc ‘a’ for example.

You're right. :^)

The descenders of j and y is also different but I just thought it might have been a characteristic of the "pre-digital" cut but I was wrong.

Bald Condensed's picture

> I just thought it might have been a characteristic of the “pre-digital” cut

Sometimes this is indeed the case, but if the underlying structure doesn't match odds are it probably is something else.

franzheidl's picture

My apologies to poms then, the sample i posted is in fact Helvetica Compressed, not Ultra Compressed. I promise to pay more attention next time.

poms's picture

@franzheidl
No problemo :)

Thomas

SuperUltraFabulous's picture

Thank you everyone. I will save a PDF of this discussion.

You guys ROCK!!!

Mikey

PS... now if only I could actually sing to music I like...hehehe

fontplayer's picture

PS… now if only I could actually sing to music I like…hehehe

Ever hear King Pleasure? (King Curtis had some good sax stuff- check this one out, but turn your speaker up first)

When it was down to twelve on American Idol, Elliot Yamin did a version of Moody's Mood for Love" (done by K.P. with another personal favorite, Blossom Dearie singing a female response part), and did a very admirable job of it. It was a vocal transcription with words of a James Moody sax solo on a "I'm In the Mood For Love" recording that Eddie Jefferson made into lyrics. This was given the style name of "vocalese". Probably the best known in this category is Manhatten Transfer.

But in my mind the champs are a group from France in the '60s called the Swingle Singers. They did a bunch of Bach tunes with The Modern Jazz Quartet, some of which were quite complicated arrangements, that to this day still amaze me. Using mainly the syllables Dubba-dubba.

As an aside, one of my favorite lyrics in all music is from I'm in the Mood For Love:

"Funny Butt when you're with me, I'm in the mood for love."
; )
I also like the work of the A&M/CTI designers in the '70s that did things like this:


At that less jaded time, they were eye candy.

Mark Simonson's picture

Pretty sure the first one is Inserat Grotesk. I don't think it's been digitized.

SuperUltraFabulous's picture

Fontplayer> Really good jazz there. I love that kind of swanky jazz. good stuff.

Mikey

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