(x) "Unleashed Jeans Genie" high contrast modern serif - Pistilli Roman (Didoni) {Yves}

sub's picture

hey guys,
perhaps you can say me the name of this great type!

thanks

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timd's picture

I believe it is expanded Modern 20
Tim

Bald Condensed's picture

Nope, this is yet another sighting of Pistilli Roman.

Bald Condensed's picture

The only digitisation we know of is Didoni.

BradB's picture

That looks correct, but somehow the older piece just looks nicer. It could be the screen rendering... but I have a hunch that at least a little of the original flavor was lost in digitization.

Mark Simonson's picture

Most definitely. There are few digital faces that feature such extreme hairlines. When an older font is digitized, they want to make it as usable as possible over a range of sizes. Having such thin hairlines would make a font not look too good at sizes smaller than an inch or so. "It's falling apart at 36 point...better make those hairlines thicker."

Norbert Florendo's picture

> Having such thin hairlines would make a font not look too good at sizes smaller than an inch or so.

Do you mean like ITC L&C Stymie Hairline and ITC Busorama (display cut) as well as ITC Firenze, LSC Caslon No. 223, Mark?

Somehow the pre-digital ITC Manhattan made it's way into the digital age with the addition of a pixel or two.

Odd, though... it's not only hairline faces that need taming before going digital.
ITC Gorilla's fur looks more like Lassie than King Kong.

But who would ever want to see a tiny Manhattan or an one-inch gorilla anyway?
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Yes, I'm old, and my hairline is fading too!

Mark Simonson's picture

Two I specifically had in mind were Jonathan Hoefler's Didot and David Berlow's Throhand. But all of the old display fonts from the phototype era that have been digitized (the ones I know of anyway) seem to have taken a conservative approach with regard to the hairlines. I think it's a shame, but it's not like the situation is hopeless. (We have the technology!)

Norbert Florendo's picture

Yes, the technology is there.
Many manufacturers are required (either by law or by their insurance company) to post dangers due to potential misuse of their product such as:
A five-inch brass fishing lure with a three-pronged hook on the end which warns: "Harmful if swallowed".

Instead of "doping down" thin strokes on some great pre-digital display faces, or current type designers shying away from fine hairline strokes, couldn't the font EULA for a particular face state:
WARNING: Setting this typeface at sizes less than 72 points or 1" will cause painful and permanent damage to your retina. ;-)

Bald Condensed's picture

There's a recent face that boasts to have "(...) an average hairline weight of 1% of its point size" -- Joshua Darden's Freight Big. I have the impression that Matthew Carter's Big Caslon is less extreme.

sub's picture

You guys are fantastic :D
thanks for your succesful help!

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