Phonetic alphabets?

Ringo
18.Dec.2005 2.50am
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Hello everyone,

First of all I want to say I really love this site - been here for only a few days but I’m already hooked. :)

I’m doing graphic design at KABK, The Hague; though I’m still in my first year (so everything is new and challenging) I’m sure type design will be one of my main interests. Certainly after running into Typophile.com...

As I have a M.A. in linguistics (syntax) I’m quite focused on the relation between language theory and type design. That sounds vague, and maybe it is; I wonder if there are people who have incorporated both perspectives on type and language (internal structure and external design) into one coherent vision.

More precisely spoken: does anyone know where I could find information about phonetic alphabets? I do not mean the regular versions of IPA but newly designed alphabets which provide a single symbol for every possible sound in spoken language.

(mwah, does this tend to be a little formulaic?)

Anyway, hoping for some helpful response...

Ringo



Norbert Florendo
18.Dec.2005 4.43am
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Lawrence K Lo has done some work with phonetics and historical liguistics on his site AncientScripts.com.

The Omniglot site is worth digging through as it has many links and sub-links to experimental, con-script and syllabic systems, including The Phonogic Alphabet a creation of Charles Smith.

I know you mentioned no interest in IPA, but Luc Devroye’s site has many jump points on his Phonetics page that might lead you towards new work as well.


Ringo
18.Dec.2005 6.35am
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Thanks, those are some interesting links!

By the way, it’s not that I dislike IPA, I’m just looking for as many ’universal’ alphabets as possible. IPA is a well-elaborated writing system trying to reach for every distinct sound of every human language; I wondered if there were more alphabets IPA-alike but with other roots.

Those ’home-made’ alphabets I saw, some of them are really nice; however, their readibility is near-zero. They’re the esperantos of type design, sprung from idealism; or worse, made for the sake of the inventor only.

Actually, from my personal point of view, there should be an alphabet which is a synthesis of worldwide typography; that is to say, it’s been build up from the best elements of all writing systems. An amalgamation of styles and traditions, recognizable rather than readable, eclectic but coherent, concrete and useful as a global ’logo-language’.


Norbert Florendo
18.Dec.2005 9.23am
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An amalgamation of styles and traditions, recognizable rather than readable, eclectic but coherent, concrete and useful as a global ‘logo-language’.

Personally, I think such developments in language and written forms happen not through intentional design but more through the clash or melding of cultures (not only global, but societal) necessitated by commerce. Like the anglo-japanese-“hi-tech”-citypseak lingo and word forms in Blade Runner.


Aubrey
19.Dec.2005 2.57am
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Very interesting points, Ringo and Norbert,

I am an absolutely newbie in fontography though I have been interested all my life - and now need to learn a little. But I am an oldie in linguistics with an MA many years ago and more recently a PhD - with general interests in the acquisition of syntax and phonetics/phonology, and currently researching a British linguistic tradition which ran from the seventeenth century to the late nineteenth century and then got buried.

In a way which may interest you, Ringo, the last exponent of this tradition, Alexander Melville Bell, the father of Alexander Graham, had the idea of a phonetics notation based on an early version of distinction feature theory. In 1849 he dismissed what he called ’Romics’ - the approach assumed by Passy and the other founders of the IPA in 1894 - as hardly worthy of discussion. Bell, like his seventeenth century predecessor William Holder, was interested in the isssue of universalism which you mention. I don’t think that this stuff is on the net.


Aubrey
19.Dec.2005 3.00am
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I meant ’distinctive feature theory’ of course.


Ringo
19.Dec.2005 1.49pm
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The last exponent of this tradition, Alexander Melville Bell, the father of Alexander Graham, had the idea of a phonetics notation based on an early version of distinction feature theory. In 1849 he dismissed what he called ‘Romics’ - the approach assumed by Passy and the other founders of the IPA in 1894 - as hardly worthy of discussion.

At the Omniglot site, I found this about the Bell’s phonetics notation. Very elegant; every symbol is, as you mentioned, a representation of a distinctive sound feature instead of representing a particular sound (which is a combination of features).

A very analytical approach and quite logical in its looks. This seems to be more universal than IPA as it doesn’t depend as much from Latin alphabet. (I doubt it does at all.)

Still questioning the readability, however. :P