(x) Skateboarder - ITC Grouch {Mark S}

jonathanlawley's picture

Any ideas?

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Bald Condensed's picture

Looks like some very black condensed Caslon, something from the seventies.

jupiterboy's picture

Yeh, but that lc “k” with the ball. God I loved that magazine. Sigh.

dezcom's picture

We used to do stuff with photostats and amberlith in those days so don't discount hand touchup.

ChrisL

Dan Weaver's picture

Chris you will have to explain what a photostat and amberlith are to most young computer generation designers.

Mark Simonson's picture

The font is ITC Grouch, condensed a bit with a customized k. Grouch and the recently ID'd Grizzly are among the ITC fonts which were available at one time only from Bitstream, but no more. Somebody should give ITC a good talking to. If they're going to go around revoking distribution rights, at least they should offer it themselves.

Edit: Actually the k is an alternate that was part of the original design. It included a few other alternate characters (which were not included in the Bitstream version).

david h's picture

"Amberlith: Also known as camera amber. Brand name for a red or orange coated acetate sheet used on a mechanical or on artwork as marking material to position halftones, ares of color, and tints. The coating is 'stippable'; that is, it can be selectively cut and peeled away to create outlines and silhouettes"

"Photostat: Trade name for a photoprint, more commonly rreferred to as a stat. Stats are most commonly used in mechanicals to indicate size, cropping, and position of continuous tone copy. the original copy is photographed by a special cam,era and produces a paper negative. From this a positive stat is made

dezcom's picture

When you "mix and match" stats, amberlths, swivel knives, and paint and ink, you get the old school version of Adobe Illustrator--the Adobe was mud and the illustrator was you :-)

All the above stuff plus an airbrush was Photoshop circa 1968.

ChrisL

PS: The "Special Camera" I used was a Robertson but there were many others.

Miss Tiffany's picture

Amberlith was the orange and Rubylith was for the red

dezcom's picture

"Amberlith was the orange and Rubylith was for the red"

That's right Tiff! But are not old enough to know that!

ChrisL

Miss Tiffany's picture

Yes. I am. Considering my father started the ad agency when I was 11 and I was always underfoot. :^P

dezcom's picture

Tiff, you are still underfoot :-)

ChrisL

jonathanlawley's picture

Thanks Mark. How did you find this out? I can't believe such a good typeface has been resigned to history. It's very sad because I have the perfect use for it and looking at it on MyFonts its tantalisingly close.

Thanks again

Jonathan

jupiterboy's picture

Look for vintage phototype books that have the face and redraw what you need if it is something short. Not impossible, but a quest for sure.

Mark Simonson's picture

It was one of the fonts that was included in the original Bitstream Type Shop CD-ROM in which you could get the whole Bitstream library for about $500. They still sell a product like that, but without any ITC faces.

Other "lost" ITC fonts from that era (many never digitized at all) include Aki Lines, Bernase Roman, LSC Book (3 weights + italics), Caslon 223 (not to be confused with Caslon 224), Caslon Headline, LSC Condensed, Didi, Firenze, Milano (neither of the two by that name on ITC's site are ITC Milano), Neon, Tom's Roman, Grizzly, and Uptight Neon.

jonathanlawley's picture

I have written to ITC to find out why they are no longer avalible.

Out of interest does anyone still have copies of ITC Grizzly and ITC Grouch bought before they were removed from the Bitstream library?

Jonathan

jonathanlawley's picture

ITC wrote:
Hello Jonathan,

I'm sorry; we have no immediate plans to release ITC Grouch or Grizzly asdigital fonts.

Allan

Thats a shame

Bald Condensed's picture

> Out of interest does anyone still have copies of ITC Grizzly and ITC Grouch bought before they were removed from the Bitstream library?

I purchased the Bitstream Typeshop CD-ROM when starting out and upgraded it to the TypeHigh CD-ROM when they still had loads of yummy ITC faces on it. Never regretted it -- terrific value for money, better digitisations than most of the "official" Linotype and Adobe versions, and it allowed me to license loads of typefaces I was very reluctant to spend any money on but had to own licenses for due to the reality of the marketplace.

Bald Condensed's picture

So, yes I am the proud owner of licenses to ITC Grizzly and ITC Grouch. ;^P

I really don't understand why ITC can't strike some sort of deal with Bitstream to have these perfectly fine digitised faces available to the public.

Mike F's picture

I have both via the CorelDraw 8 CD bundle, although they are named Grizzly BT and Grouch BT - no ITC in the name or copyright. Perhaps thay make an appearance with other CorelDraw versions.

thierry blancpain's picture

maybe you can get one of the old bitstream-CDs via ebay or something?

liliput's picture

i don't suppose i could persuade you to lend me a copy?????

Nick Cooke's picture

You suppose right.

Nick Cooke

dezcom's picture

Lily,

That is a serious no, no!

ChrisL

manofscience's picture

Caslon Graphique is a very similar typeface, by Elsner + Flake, 1985.
http://www.fontshop.com/fonts/singles/elsnerflake/caslon_graphique_ot/?t...

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