Creating an Oblique... (What's not to skew?)

silas
26.Oct.2005 2.44pm
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When you’re creating a conciously designed Oblique, what glyphs should remain in the upright style?



Miss Tiffany
26.Oct.2005 2.48pm
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Is this a trick question?


antiphrasis
26.Oct.2005 2.52pm
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The period?


Miss Tiffany
26.Oct.2005 2.54pm
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=^>


antiphrasis
26.Oct.2005 3.00pm
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At least a round one. ;-)


silas
26.Oct.2005 3.06pm
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No, it’s not a riddle. I was just wondering what everyone’s preferences are.

I see that some designs retain a few upright math symbols such as the addition, equal, and greater/lesser than, but then the numerals are skewed. I skew those symbols.

I keep the copyright and registered symbols upright, but then I skew my trademark glyph. Any graphical elements such as bullets or bonus ornaments stay the same as well. I’m on the fence when it comes to paragraph/linebreak marks.


silas
26.Oct.2005 3.06pm
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I wonder if there’s a riddle in there somewhere though.


silas
26.Oct.2005 3.12pm
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Ah, yes... round periods I keep.

Oh, and I adjust the sidebearings for the glyphs that I don’t skew.


antiphrasis
26.Oct.2005 3.28pm
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Silas,

Makes perfect sense. Maybe also keep the @ sign the same unless it’s directly related to lc A.


Nick Shinn
26.Oct.2005 3.50pm
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If you’re doing an oblique, rather than an italic, why not skew everything?
Apart from the fact that it’s extra work, of course.


dezcom
26.Oct.2005 4.00pm
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Uh, dah, what the... Man! I forgot what I was going to say. Ah, skew it!

:-)

ChrisL


Mark Simonson
26.Oct.2005 4.31pm
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I skew everything (with optical compensation, of course) except for the ® and © and a few others. Recently, I started skewing the R and C within the circle, though.


hrant
26.Oct.2005 5.51pm
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Some years ago I had this idea that numerals shouldn’t be slanted. And not really because the math symbols often aren’t, more because of “ideological” reasons... I ran this by Evert B in Leipzig, and he said he thought there was some merit to the idea. When I finish Harrier for real (as a stand-alone design) I might do that.

hhp


dberlow
27.Oct.2005 4.39am
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Circular forms are optional, but most of the time they are not skewed, (particularly in sans).
Since Asterisk, daggers and ppg are not normally happy in italic, or it don’t matter, Reference symbols are optional. Math is a no-no as far as I’m concerned. Everything else gets skewed.


dtw
27.Oct.2005 7.24am
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Doesn’t Bringhurst mention something about keeping ({[ ]}) unslanted...?
And I suppose you wouldnt want to faff with | or ¦, surely?

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Nick Shinn
27.Oct.2005 10.03am
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There’s a difference in fit between an oblique sans and a serifed italic. The italic lower-case serifs cause most of these glyphs to occupy a more vertical space — thereby making a “roman” parenthesis a better fit (except before f, j, p and after d, f, l). So really, vertical (roman) parentheses in serifed italics is a good idea, although kerning them with the problem characters mentioned is required, and throughout the font also.


Mark Simonson
27.Oct.2005 10.30am
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I think this business of slanting or not slanting math characters and such goes back to the fact that many of these were not part of normal fonts in metal type. They were extra sorts which were purchased separately and could be used with any font. Linotype, for instance, had only one or two versions of each, none of them slanted. The idea that these should all follow the design of a particular font is a fairly recent idea.


dezcom
27.Oct.2005 10.38am
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The math issue seems to me to revolve around usage. I am not a math person so I can’t answer but I wonder what situations might occur when setting math where italic is helpful? Maybe there is no real use for it. Maybe just when setting primes in italic to distinguish them from the original referant?

ChrisL